Coming from a 997.2 GTS cab and considering a Spyder...
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I have only had the Spyder for 2 weeks. In comparison to my 997 Speedster, the top is a breeze. In about 30 seconds, we have mastered the opening / closing process, and it's quite a conversation starter.
I have had 3 997s, a 991, and now my first 981. The initial reaction with the Spyder echoes some of the comments above; driving nirvana. The exhaust is harmonious, the nimble handling is perfect for the twisties. While it can't carry true speed like a GT car, it's actually more fun.
I have had 3 997s, a 991, and now my first 981. The initial reaction with the Spyder echoes some of the comments above; driving nirvana. The exhaust is harmonious, the nimble handling is perfect for the twisties. While it can't carry true speed like a GT car, it's actually more fun.
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Originally Posted by EUWDIAMOND
Would you say the mid-engine lineup tends to be more fun as a weekend car compared to 911s, Gt3s, Turbos?
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I have only had the Spyder for 2 weeks. In comparison to my 997 Speedster, the top is a breeze. In about 30 seconds, we have mastered the opening / closing process, and it's quite a conversation starter.
I have had 3 997s, a 991, and now my first 981. The initial reaction with the Spyder echoes some of the comments above; driving nirvana. The exhaust is harmonious, the nimble handling is perfect for the twisties. While it can't carry true speed like a GT car, it's actually more fun.
I have had 3 997s, a 991, and now my first 981. The initial reaction with the Spyder echoes some of the comments above; driving nirvana. The exhaust is harmonious, the nimble handling is perfect for the twisties. While it can't carry true speed like a GT car, it's actually more fun.
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I don't think the mid engine aspect in and of itself is what makes it so much fun. For me it's the sound and power of that 3.8 combined with the beautiful chassis balance. Of all the other Porsches I've owned over the years including TT's and a GT3, probably my next most fun car would be my first Porsche, a 77 911S. I'd love to have that car back!
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I am pretty sure I am in the minority; Spyder is fast-enough, for the street. If you are tracking, then it's never fast-enough. I get in trouble in slow S2000! Spyder probably is in the sweet spot of what is usable on the street. I could actually use bit less power; but, shorter gearing, higher red line, reduced weight by about 200-300 lbs and peak power near the red line.
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I am pretty sure I am in the minority; Spyder is fast-enough, for the street. If you are tracking, then it's never fast-enough. I get in trouble in slow S2000! Spyder probably is in the sweet spot of what is usable on the street. I could actually use bit less power; but, shorter gearing, higher red line, reduced weight by about 200-300 lbs and peak power near the red line.
My comment was more or less directed toward the statement that the Spyder couldn't carry as much speed as a GT car.
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I owned two 996 TT's. They are fantastic cars in many respects. The first one I owned with the tip was awesome as a daily driver, given the heavy traffic conditions here in Orlando.
For me, as a driving enthusiast, the bulk of the TT was always noticeable in the twisties. My latest 996 TT, which I sold to make room for the Spyder, had 6 speed. I had lowered it, put an upgraded suspension and a Fabspeed exhaust. That car was pretty sweet. It was a rocket ship but compared to the light weight and mid engine balance of the Spyder there was no comparison for me in terms of driving fun. With the Fabspeed, the sound was much better than stock, but not many cars compare to the amazing PSE exhaust note Porsche has engineered into the Spyder.
So basically two different cars for different purposes. If I had extra garage space and more disposable income, I'd probably get another TT. They are awesome.
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of course that's a subjective thing and if you asked the question on a TT board you'd get different answers.
I owned two 996 TT's. They are fantastic cars in many respects. The first one I owned with the tip was awesome as a daily driver, given the heavy traffic conditions here in Orlando.
For me, as a driving enthusiast, the bulk of the TT was always noticeable in the twisties. My latest 996 TT, which I sold to make room for the Spyder, had 6 speed. I had lowered it, put an upgraded suspension and a Fabspeed exhaust. That car was pretty sweet. It was a rocket ship but compared to the light weight and mid engine balance of the Spyder there was no comparison for me in terms of driving fun. With the Fabspeed, the sound was much better than stock, but not many cars compare to the amazing PSE exhaust note Porsche has engineered into the Spyder.
So basically two different cars for different purposes. If I had extra garage space and more disposable income, I'd probably get another TT. They are awesome.
I owned two 996 TT's. They are fantastic cars in many respects. The first one I owned with the tip was awesome as a daily driver, given the heavy traffic conditions here in Orlando.
For me, as a driving enthusiast, the bulk of the TT was always noticeable in the twisties. My latest 996 TT, which I sold to make room for the Spyder, had 6 speed. I had lowered it, put an upgraded suspension and a Fabspeed exhaust. That car was pretty sweet. It was a rocket ship but compared to the light weight and mid engine balance of the Spyder there was no comparison for me in terms of driving fun. With the Fabspeed, the sound was much better than stock, but not many cars compare to the amazing PSE exhaust note Porsche has engineered into the Spyder.
So basically two different cars for different purposes. If I had extra garage space and more disposable income, I'd probably get another TT. They are awesome.
Thanks! Very good answer! Now I wonder how a carrera (4s) & gt3 compares to a spyder In a few years from now I will hopefully get my hands on a Porsche.
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The GT3 engine sound was insane at redline, much like is the case with the Spyder. The handling once properly aligned was awesome although not as confidence inspiring in my hands as compared to the Spyder. The GT3 was less civilized and nowhere near as good for street use. Very uncomfortable for long trips (you really feel the bumps; my wife took one ride, got a backache, and never rode again), and the heavy racing clutch was just impossible for me in every day driving in congested city streets.
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I had a slightly more rare version of the 997.2 GTS a before my Spyder - a C4 GTS with PDK. Ended up modding it for the track and it spent a lot of time there.
I loved that car, but I got bored with it. In the end, it's a 911 with some different options than most. Nothing truly special, really.
The Spyder is completely different. It's a factory hot rod with options that can't be added to a regular bolster. And it's instantly fun to drive, beyond the fun factor of the 6-speed. It handles well, looks fantastic and is visceral from the time you close the drivers door until you shut it off.
Get the Spyder - the reward goes beyond the transmission. I'm confident this car will be a collector.
I loved that car, but I got bored with it. In the end, it's a 911 with some different options than most. Nothing truly special, really.
The Spyder is completely different. It's a factory hot rod with options that can't be added to a regular bolster. And it's instantly fun to drive, beyond the fun factor of the 6-speed. It handles well, looks fantastic and is visceral from the time you close the drivers door until you shut it off.
Get the Spyder - the reward goes beyond the transmission. I'm confident this car will be a collector.
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of course that's a subjective thing and if you asked the question on a TT board you'd get different answers.
I owned two 996 TT's. They are fantastic cars in many respects. The first one I owned with the tip was awesome as a daily driver, given the heavy traffic conditions here in Orlando.
For me, as a driving enthusiast, the bulk of the TT was always noticeable in the twisties. My latest 996 TT, which I sold to make room for the Spyder, had 6 speed. I had lowered it, put an upgraded suspension and a Fabspeed exhaust. That car was pretty sweet. It was a rocket ship but compared to the light weight and mid engine balance of the Spyder there was no comparison for me in terms of driving fun. With the Fabspeed, the sound was much better than stock, but not many cars compare to the amazing PSE exhaust note Porsche has engineered into the Spyder.
So basically two different cars for different purposes. If I had extra garage space and more disposable income, I'd probably get another TT. They are awesome.
I owned two 996 TT's. They are fantastic cars in many respects. The first one I owned with the tip was awesome as a daily driver, given the heavy traffic conditions here in Orlando.
For me, as a driving enthusiast, the bulk of the TT was always noticeable in the twisties. My latest 996 TT, which I sold to make room for the Spyder, had 6 speed. I had lowered it, put an upgraded suspension and a Fabspeed exhaust. That car was pretty sweet. It was a rocket ship but compared to the light weight and mid engine balance of the Spyder there was no comparison for me in terms of driving fun. With the Fabspeed, the sound was much better than stock, but not many cars compare to the amazing PSE exhaust note Porsche has engineered into the Spyder.
So basically two different cars for different purposes. If I had extra garage space and more disposable income, I'd probably get another TT. They are awesome.
Now here's the catch - do I miss the TT as a daily-driver? Yes. It was just so darn practical. The Spyder is a ripper but the top, despite it's brilliance, has a tough time in crappy weather. If, even in light rain with the top up the cab fogs up etc... I've tried to offset this with a Macan but it is just not doing it, for me. To the OP, will you miss your GTS cab, with the slow down and drop-the-top? You may. The Spyder is an exceptional car, a better driving car than the 997, but IMO, not a daily-driver. A one-Porsche choice? Your 997.2 GTS. Want something for the weekends as a 2nd Porsche? Spyder or why not even go air cooled for some "true" Porsche motoring. Or perhaps that 987 Cayman S or even a 987.2 Cayman R. Now here's a rare (CR), mid-engined car, not a cab (you already has one), that will definitely scratch your mid-engined itch for not a whole lot of money.
Also, a comment on your crappy roads? Swap out some 18" wheels with winter tires and you'll improve the comfort a lot.
OK. It's Sunday and sunny out today and I know exactly which car I'm heading for. Good luck on your hunt (which is 80% of the fun).
P.s. You are treading on thin ice with the idea of owning multiple cars. Once you crack into this area it's a fee fall with no end in sight. Don't say I didn't warn you!
Last edited by Zeus993; 07-03-2016 at 12:09 PM.
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The exhaust sounds like Barry White. It has bass rumble. It soothes the soul. It makes you want to make out with the car. It has the best sounding engine note I've ever heard, though it has a bit too much snap crackle and pop to be honest.
The top seals just fine. Frankly the spyder is a perfect weekend car. It has some hassle, it has some show, and by word, driving it feels like an event.
The top seals just fine. Frankly the spyder is a perfect weekend car. It has some hassle, it has some show, and by word, driving it feels like an event.