987S vs. 981 Base
02-17-2013, 05:12 AM
#62
981 will be better than the 987.
any version performance wise
there is no debate,
however, spyders and CRs are special cars that have a high degree of oneness with the driver. Something has been lost in the interface with the new chassis IMO. Some may not care, some may, some may even BS the difference. Nonetheless, it is irrefutable that the looks of the spyder is special and still unmatched by the 981 variant. Simply put, the limited nature of the spyder versus the ten of thousands of 981s out there...... To a lot of us, rarity has even more importance than the minute differences in performance or steering feel.
any version performance wise
there is no debate,
however, spyders and CRs are special cars that have a high degree of oneness with the driver. Something has been lost in the interface with the new chassis IMO. Some may not care, some may, some may even BS the difference. Nonetheless, it is irrefutable that the looks of the spyder is special and still unmatched by the 981 variant. Simply put, the limited nature of the spyder versus the ten of thousands of 981s out there...... To a lot of us, rarity has even more importance than the minute differences in performance or steering feel.
02-17-2013, 08:22 AM
#63
02-17-2013, 11:24 AM
#64
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
, but its my thread so to heck with it. 
02-17-2013, 11:37 AM
#65
http://www.amazon.com/Steps-Pain-Fre.../dp/0452282772
PS A strong core is good for the lower back
02-17-2013, 11:57 AM
#66
Well, i just put the GT3 seats in my 986
I have not yet done a 3-horu drive. But i will say that when i first ptu them in, i felt that they were too low, too "fixed" etc and that i might be largely uncomfortable for commuting etc.
As i have lived with them, and learned to relax, hold the wheel a bit lower, etc, they are becoming quite comfortable. Maybe my first trip to Alton, VA or Lexington, OH will be agony, but i'd suggest playing a bit with how you place the seat and set the wheel.
The one thing that will bother me is that they confine my shoulders too much. I'm small enough to fit int he seat with room to spare, but my shoulders span across where the "wings" kick in.
You must not slouch. Sit in the very back, upright and get comfy.
Good luck.
Juts another example that a good track car is not necessarily a good street car.
Grant
As i have lived with them, and learned to relax, hold the wheel a bit lower, etc, they are becoming quite comfortable. Maybe my first trip to Alton, VA or Lexington, OH will be agony, but i'd suggest playing a bit with how you place the seat and set the wheel.
The one thing that will bother me is that they confine my shoulders too much. I'm small enough to fit int he seat with room to spare, but my shoulders span across where the "wings" kick in.
You must not slouch. Sit in the very back, upright and get comfy.
Good luck.
Juts another example that a good track car is not necessarily a good street car.
Grant
02-17-2013, 12:50 PM
#68
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
I have not yet done a 3-horu drive. But i will say that when i first ptu them in, i felt that they were too low, too "fixed" etc and that i might be largely uncomfortable for commuting etc.
As i have lived with them, and learned to relax, hold the wheel a bit lower, etc, they are becoming quite comfortable. Maybe my first trip to Alton, VA or Lexington, OH will be agony, but i'd suggest playing a bit with how you place the seat and set the wheel.
The one thing that will bother me is that they confine my shoulders too much. I'm small enough to fit int he seat with room to spare, but my shoulders span across where the "wings" kick in.
You must not slouch. Sit in the very back, upright and get comfy.
Good luck.
Juts another example that a good track car is not necessarily a good street car.
Grant
As i have lived with them, and learned to relax, hold the wheel a bit lower, etc, they are becoming quite comfortable. Maybe my first trip to Alton, VA or Lexington, OH will be agony, but i'd suggest playing a bit with how you place the seat and set the wheel.
The one thing that will bother me is that they confine my shoulders too much. I'm small enough to fit int he seat with room to spare, but my shoulders span across where the "wings" kick in.
You must not slouch. Sit in the very back, upright and get comfy.
Good luck.
Juts another example that a good track car is not necessarily a good street car.
Grant
Will futz around some more...
02-17-2013, 01:18 PM
#69
Nordschleife Master
02-17-2013, 01:28 PM
#70
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11301235...ngine---report
Saludos,
Eduardo
02-17-2013, 03:53 PM
#71
Three Wheelin'
Everything I've heard on the 960 matches what Eduardo has said.
Gripster,
I too have back issues with certain seats. In my case it seems to come down to the seat base angle. I need the seat bottom to be more or less flat and level. I was able (with the 996 GT3 seats I put in my 2001 Boxster S) to loosen the front and rear seat set bolts (the ones on each side holding the seat to the metal supporting frame) and tilt the seat a couple of degrees toward level. In my case that was enough to make the back problems go away.
Personally, I like shell-type seats. Unlike the comfy versions of seats, there is no suspension per se, just foam pads which are readily replaced when they start to die (or if you need to sit higher or lower). Remanufacturing a comfy seat's suspension to original condition is an expensive proposition, and not many people can do it right. Given that it can take 10 years and/or 100K miles to for that suspension to break down, getting it repaired/replaced can be problematic.
Gripster,
I too have back issues with certain seats. In my case it seems to come down to the seat base angle. I need the seat bottom to be more or less flat and level. I was able (with the 996 GT3 seats I put in my 2001 Boxster S) to loosen the front and rear seat set bolts (the ones on each side holding the seat to the metal supporting frame) and tilt the seat a couple of degrees toward level. In my case that was enough to make the back problems go away.
Personally, I like shell-type seats. Unlike the comfy versions of seats, there is no suspension per se, just foam pads which are readily replaced when they start to die (or if you need to sit higher or lower). Remanufacturing a comfy seat's suspension to original condition is an expensive proposition, and not many people can do it right. Given that it can take 10 years and/or 100K miles to for that suspension to break down, getting it repaired/replaced can be problematic.
02-18-2013, 05:01 PM
#73
Agreed. I like the Spyder, but seeing the 981 in person really did it for me. Its just a gorgeous shape.
02-18-2013, 05:31 PM
#74
guys, I am happy for you that you love the 981 shape, it is definitely a step up on the 987.
"Special" means when you drive into any porsche dealership, you don't see dozens of the same car in every hue and interior............ the spyder is unmatched in its rarity and sense of occasion, it looks different- bespoke... Ever get the feeling that if every other joe has the same thing it ain't special?
"Special" means when you drive into any porsche dealership, you don't see dozens of the same car in every hue and interior............ the spyder is unmatched in its rarity and sense of occasion, it looks different- bespoke... Ever get the feeling that if every other joe has the same thing it ain't special?
02-19-2013, 01:24 PM
#75
I you offered me a Boxster Spyder or a 981 strictly for the track/AX ... I'm taking the 987 all day long.
The Boxster Spyder will always be the lightest, hydraulic steering, roadster with at least 300 HP. Which might make it the last great roadster.
For the ride home I'll take the 981. S model if you have it. PDK as long as the warranty is infinite.
p.s.
The 981 front end is "irrefutably" the best looking of any Porsche. Better than previous Boxsters and all the of the water-cooled Carreras. The 991 in my book barely looks like a Carrera anymore. I'd say more like a GT (ie Jaguar) than anything Steve McQueen might have driven.
The 981 rear end is growing on me. I don't care for the side intakes at all. Anything below 19" wheels don't look right on a wheel well that big -- I wish they would have designed the body for a 18" wheel. Like air-cooled Carreas, big wheels don't look right on roadsters to me.
p.s.
Fixed seats are great if you have lower backpain, no slouching -- shoulder blades are pinned. Bad if your core is not in good shape. and really tough for parallell parking.
The Boxster Spyder will always be the lightest, hydraulic steering, roadster with at least 300 HP. Which might make it the last great roadster.
For the ride home I'll take the 981. S model if you have it. PDK as long as the warranty is infinite.
p.s.
The 981 front end is "irrefutably" the best looking of any Porsche. Better than previous Boxsters and all the of the water-cooled Carreras. The 991 in my book barely looks like a Carrera anymore. I'd say more like a GT (ie Jaguar) than anything Steve McQueen might have driven.
The 981 rear end is growing on me. I don't care for the side intakes at all. Anything below 19" wheels don't look right on a wheel well that big -- I wish they would have designed the body for a 18" wheel. Like air-cooled Carreas, big wheels don't look right on roadsters to me.
p.s.
Fixed seats are great if you have lower backpain, no slouching -- shoulder blades are pinned. Bad if your core is not in good shape. and really tough for parallell parking.
