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From another thread in this forum...but a curious development that
should be reported here!
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Originally Posted by RSGT
Classic Grey from 911 Sport Classic today in Zuffenhausen
Gerald
Ludwigsburg,Germany
Originally Posted by Z356
Gerald:
Can you please tell us who told you the color on this 981 Spyder was
'Sport Classic Grey'. As you know that color is not on the approved
PTS list for the 991/981 but was allowed to be done on a VIP's 918
Spyder in 2015. We just need to clarify these matters so that we
know where the information is coming from & we have confirmation
that its accurate in reporting it to our forum. Thanks.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
Originally Posted by navanoD
Eduardo, I won't tell you how I know, but this color is
indeed 63A.
Hint: Remember my first attempt at PTS? This makes up for it!!!
***
Donavan: Let me first say that I am very happy for you. So by
reading in between the lines, you are telling us that your PTS 981
Spyder will also be 'Sport Classic Grey', color code 63A! Congratulations!
****
For those that might not keep up with the 'bizarro' world of Porsche
'exclusive' colors, 'Sport Classic Grey' was introduced for the Limited
Edition '911 Sport Classic' that PAG brought out in ROW back in MY2010.
And that exact color was never allowed to be duplicated via PTS...
until a lucky VIP 918 Spyder owner got the approval in 2015.
And now, Gerald & Donovan are telling us that this color has been done
for some 981 Spyder clients...even thought 'Sport Classic Grey' does not
appear yet on the approved PTS list last revised by PAG on Nov 17th, 2015!
****
Personally, I think we should know how some folks were tipped-off
that 'Sport Classic Grey', color code 63A, was possible to do when
that information was not available to 99% of the Porsche customers.
And don't give me 'Melissa is my friend' line, because EVERY Porsche
customer, in theory, is Melissa's 'friend' too & she can't afford to play
'favorites' in her capacity as a representative of 'Porsche Exclusive' in
the US. I am having a hard time understanding how keeping the
information that 'Sport Classic Grey' was available but not allowed to
be widely known is justified since it puts the majority of Porsche's PTS
customers at an unfair disadvantage not knowing that such a color was
also available to them.
For those that might not keep up with the 'bizarro' world of Porsche
'exclusive' colors, 'Sport Classic Grey' was introduced for the Limited
Edition '911 Sport Classic' that PAG brought out in ROW back in MY2010.
And that exact color was never allowed to be duplicated via PTS...
until a lucky VIP 918 Spyder owner got the approval in 2015.
And now, Gerald & Donovan are telling us that this color has been done
for some 981 Spyder clients...even thought 'Sport Classic Grey' does not
appear yet on the approved PTS list last revised by PAG on Nov 17th, 2015!
****
Personally, I think we should know how some folks were tipped-off
that 'Sport Classic Grey', color code 63A, was possible to do when
that information was not available to 99% of the Porsche customers.
And don't give me 'Melissa is my friend' line, because EVERY Porsche
customer, in theory, is Melissa's 'friend' too & she can't afford to play
'favorites' in her capacity as a representative of 'Porsche Exclusive' in
the US. I am having a hard time understanding how keeping the
information that 'Sport Classic Grey' was available but not allowed to
be widely known is justified since it puts the majority of Porsche's PTS
customers at an unfair disadvantage not knowing that such a color was
also available to them.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
Originally Posted by RSGT
Eduardo,
last friday i've been in Zuffenhausen with RL member Porsche Jeck
to pick up his Riviera Spyder.When he got his car I had some time
for "spy jobs".......
First I asked some stuff if its possible to see me recently produced
Signal green Spyder. They went with me to the Exclusive Department
(next to the pickup room) to check if me Spyder is there for some
custom tailoring.But it has been still in the finish line and should
come to Exclusive early next week. The guys were very friendly
and showed me some other Exclusive and PTS cars. The Classic
Grey Spyder was one of them.The paper in the window showed
the name of the color "Classic Grey" but i was not allowed to take
a foto of it because some private information on it (VIN etc.).
I asked him that the color is not on the PTS list and he told me
that it has been locked about 5 years and opened in late summer/
fall last year. The color looks very nice and has not that shade
of beige like Fashion Grey.
Gerald
Ludwigsburg,Germany
Thank you for your response, Gerald. Good spy work! You
made PTS color history here at Rennlist! It's appreciated.
***
Did you ask 'Porsche Excusive' staff about the color of the
'green' .1 991 gt3 RS that you saw in the back of Werk II
at Zuffenhausen that you thought might be 'Gelbgrün'?
Personally, I think we should know how some folks were tipped-off
that 'Sport Classic Grey', color code 63A, was possible to do when
that information was not available to 99% of the Porsche customers.
And don't give me 'Melissa is my friend' line, because EVERY Porsche
customer, in theory, is Melissa's 'friend' too & she can't afford to play
'favorites' in her capacity as a representative of 'Porsche Exclusive' in
the US. I am having a hard time understanding how keeping the
information that 'Sport Classic Grey' was available but not allowed to
be widely known is justified since it puts the majority of Porsche's PTS
customers at an unfair disadvantage not knowing that such a color was
also available to them.
Eduardo,
As you know until recently Sport Classic Grey was strictly prohibited due to the 2010 Exclusive Limited 911 Sport Classic.
I happen to discover the availability when I inquired about the difference between Fashion, Arrow, Grigio Campovolo and Sport Classic Grey with Porsche Exclusive. I was informed that Sport Classic Grey is not on the official PTS list, and is only available if a customer specifically requests it directly through the Porsche Exclusive.
So far I know of 3 PTS Sport Classic Grey 981 Spyders, 2 in Europe and mine. I'm sure there are others out there.
I was originally planning to reveal my Spyder upon delivery, but others have let the cat out of the bag before me.
My Spyder is currently in V260 Status - 1/14/16. ETA is late March / early April?
Donavan: Let me first say that I am very happy for you. So by
reading in between the lines, you are telling us that your PTS 981
Spyder will also be 'Sport Classic Grey', color code 63A! Congratulations!
****
For those that might not keep up with the 'bizarro' world of Porsche
'exclusive' colors, 'Sport Classic Grey' was introduced for the Limited
Edition '911 Sport Classic' that PAG brought out in ROW back in MY2010.
And that exact color was never allowed to be duplicated via PTS...
until a lucky VIP 918 Spyder owner got the approval in 2015.
And now, Gerald & Donovan are telling us that this color has been done
for some 981 Spyder clients...even thought 'Sport Classic Grey' does not
appear yet on the approved PTS list last revised by PAG on Nov 17th, 2015!
****
Personally, I think we should know how some folks were tipped-off
that 'Sport Classic Grey', color code 63A, was possible to do when
that information was not available to 99% of the Porsche customers.
And don't give me 'Melissa is my friend' line, because EVERY Porsche
customer, in theory, is Melissa's 'friend' too & she can't afford to play
'favorites' in her capacity as a representative of 'Porsche Exclusive' in
the US. I am having a hard time understanding how keeping the
information that 'Sport Classic Grey' was available but not allowed to
be widely known is justified since it puts the majority of Porsche's PTS
customers at an unfair disadvantage not knowing that such a color was
also available to them.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
Originally Posted by navanoD
Eduardo,
As you know until recently Sport Classic Grey was strictly prohibited
due to the 2010 Exclusive Limited 911 Sport Classic.
I happen to discover the availability when I inquired about the difference
between Fashion, Arrow, Grigio Campovolo and Sport Classic Grey with
Porsche Exclusive. I was informed that Sport Classic Grey is not on the
official PTS list, and is only available if a customer specifically requests
it directly through the Porsche Exclusive.
So far I know of 3 PTS Sport Classic Grey 981 Spyders, 2 in Europe and
mine. I'm sure there are others out there.
Donavan:
Glad that worked out well for you. I guess you felt under no obligation
to inform fellow Rennlisters of this unusual PTS development...even
though you have maintained a very high profile at the 981 forum!
But I am deeply disappointed that Melissa Witek & the 'Porsche Exclusive'
department knew that 'Sport Classic Grey' was available for PTS on the
981/991 & failed to inform the vast majority of their PTS customers, at
least on this US market.
************
Originally Posted by navanoD
I was originally planning to reveal my Spyder upon delivery,
but others have let the cat out of the bag before me.
No, I don't think others let the cat out of the bag before you.
I think you let the cat out all by yourself!
Originally Posted by navanoD
Eduardo, I won't tell you how I know, but this color is
indeed 63A.
Hint: Remember my first attempt at PTS? This makes up for it!!!
Above is the post that led me to guess at what color you had
chosen for your Spyder & why you have been playing it so 'coy'
for the past six months re: the color you had selected & would
not share the information with those that asked!
But I am deeply disappointed that Melissa Witek & the 'Porsche Exclusive'
department knew that 'Sport Classic Grey' was available for PTS on the
981/991 & failed to inform the vast majority of their PTS customers, at
least on this US market.
From my understanding it has nothing to do with Melissa, more Porsche AG... IMHO they don't want to advertise it ...to keep it special, and keep 911 Sport Classic owners happy (although it has been over 6 years since the 911 Sport Classic debut). I myself was wondering how long before it would be leaked on the web... and told myself I wouldn't say anything until someone else did. Honestly surprised it was kept secret this long. I think others were thinking as me.
From my understanding it has nothing to do with Melissa, more Porsche
AG... IMHO they don't want to advertise it ...to keep it special, and keep
911 Sport Classic owners happy (although it has been over 6 years since
the 911 Sport Classic debut). I myself was wondering how long before it
would be leaked on the web... and told myself I wouldn't say anything
until someone else did. Honestly surprised it was kept secret this long.
I think others were thinking as me.
Sure, Donavan. I believe you.
By the way, are you by chance interested in this quaint old bridge?
I have it for sale under an exclusive listing. Just pm me quickly since
I don't know how long I can keep this availability a secret. Honestly.
Because it is a MY2015, I would not think it's 'Sport Classic Grey'.
The latter was not available for PTS until after MY2015 production
ended. Hard to tell from the substandard photos, but this Turbo S
might be 'Fashion Grey'. Or a number of the other PTS solid/
uni 'grey' colors on the approved PTS list as of date of production.
The curious appearance of 'Sport Classic Grey' in the PTS & what it could signify...h
We received news this week that up to 3 folks at Rennlist will be getting
their 981 Spyders in 'Sport Classic Grey'. Here is the photo of the first
one belonging to 997sc in Germany:
'Sport Classic Grey' was an 'exclusive' color introduced for the
Limited Edition '911 Sport Classic' that PAG brought out in ROW
back in MY2010.
And that exact color was never allowed to be duplicated via PTS,
regardless how many times it was requested by other customers,
until a lucky VIP 918 Spyder owner got the approval in 2015!
The curious thing about this story is that these MY2016 981s in
'Sport Classic Grey' were approved in late Summer/early Fall 2015
by PAG for PTS even thought that color does NOT yet appear on
the official PAG-distributed 'approved' PTS list. The last such list
circulated among dealers by PAG is dated Nov. 17th, 2015.
So I asked some of the principals that broke the story here on
Rennlist how 'Sport Classic Grey' for PTS came about. And I
have been given the following two explanations for it by them:
First from Gerald in Germany who was recently at Zuffenhausen
& he is in the process of taking shortly delivery of his own 'Signal
Green' 981 Spyder:
Originally Posted by RSGT
Eduardo,
Last friday i've been in Zuffenhausen with RL member Porsche Jeck
to pick up his Riviera Spyder. When he got his car I had some time
for 'spy jobs'. First I asked some stuff if its possible to see m(y) recently
produced Signal green Spyder. They went with me to the Exclusive
Department (next to the pickup room) to check if me Spyder is there
for some custom tailoring. But it has been still in the finish line and
should come to Exclusive early next week. The guys were very friendly
and showed me some other Exclusive and PTS cars.The Classic Grey
Spyder was one of them.The paper in the window showed the name
of the color "Classic Grey" but i was not allowed to take a foto of it
because some private information on it (VIN etc.). I asked him that
the color is not on the PTS list and he told me that it has been locked
about 5 years and opened in late summer/fall last year. The color
looks very nice and has not that shade of beige like Fashion Grey.
Gerald
Ludwigsburg,Germany
And this second one from Donavan, who is soon to take delivery
his 'Sport Classic Grey' 981 Spyder in the United States:
Originally Posted by navanoD
Eduardo,
As you know until recently Sport Classic Grey was
strictly prohibited due to the 2010 Exclusive Limited
911 Sport Classic. I happen to discover the availability
when I inquired about the difference between Fashion,
Arrow, Grigio Campovolo and Sport Classic Grey with
Porsche Exclusive. I was informed that Sport Classic
Grey is not on the official PTS list, and is only available
if a customer specifically requests it directly through
the Porsche Exclusive. So far I know of 3 PTS Sport
Classic Grey 981 Spyders, 2 in Europe and mine. I'm
sure there are others out there.
****
So what to make of this unorthodox manner in which 'Sport Classic Grey'
has finally been allowed to be ordered via PTS at Porsche? Why didn't the
'Porsche Exclusive' staff in Europe & the US informed everyone else that
this color was available? And why isn't this once-exclusive color included
in the official approved PTS list since it's indeed available to any customer?
****
While you ponder the troubling answers to these questions, let me throw
out an interesting thought that came to me as to what this development
could also signify for the PTS program:
Could perhaps every other color tested & approved for the VIP 918
customers, of which 'Sport Classic Grey' was but one example, be
also available for PTS if any customer demands it from PAG today?
Here is the list of PTS colors that were approved for the 918 Spyder
according to one of our Rennlister (Larryf) who is in the know:
And we also know of these other PTS colors done for the 918 Spyder:
****
So dear Rennlisters & all Porsche customers that are interested in PTS.
Caveat emptor! There is a bit of 'organized chaos' right now in the
PTS program as it's being run by Porsche. You can't even rely on
the official approved PTS list (even if you can get your hands or eyes
on it since it's now officially classified as 'For Internal Use Only -
Confidential') to be certain of all the colors that PAG will allow SOME
to do on the upcoming 982 & 991.2 as well as the existing PTS orders
already approved for 981 Spyders, 991 gt3 RS and Cayman gt4s!
Thus, it would not surprise me if we see some other 'Sport Classic Grey'
in a .1 991 gt3 RS and/or .1 981 Cayman gt4 since production of PTS
for those vehicles is just getting under way. And then, what about the
possibility of some 'RS Orange / 8C6' (retired after MY2010), or true
'Acid Green', or 'Pure Blue' (formerly exclusive to the 997 Speedster)?
Inquiring minds want to know!
For years now, we have been trying to unravel the mystery of PTS via
these threads to make it more understandable & transparent to Porsche
customers & enthusiasts the world over. And, if the number of views
these threads have received & the PM's sent to me are an indication
of the interest & progress we have made in unraveling the mysteries
of PTS at Porsche, this development sadly throws us backwards a few
steps!
A repost from the 991 gt3 forum in which I try to make the point
(once again) that photographs often don't really tell the truth about
a color & you need to see it in person! This new RS might be any
one of the various PTS 'grey' available: 'Fashion Grey', 'Sport Classic
Grey', 'Grigio Telesto', etc.
**
Same RS. One exterior color. Three different photos of same RS
which seems to show three different 'colors'. Which once again
proves that you can't rely on photographs to evaluate a color
(varies too much depending on camera lenses, filters, light, etc).
You need to see a color in person to truly decide if you like it!
I think it's impossible to determine the actual color of this RS after
seeing these three photos of the same car!
A repost from another thread on the 991 gt3 forum. But it gives
us an opportunity to discuss the differences between 'Arrow Blue'
and 'Maritime Blue' and document it in reference threads:
************************** Congratulations Steven on your beautiful new 'Maritime Blue' .1 991 gt3 RS!
****
Originally Posted by ScottKelly911
Looks very similar to the 70's color Arrow Blue.
Here is 'Arrow Blue' as PAG recently agreed to do it for a 918 Spyder customer:
***
I think on closer analysis, Scott, you might conclude that 'Maritime Blue'
& 'Arrow Blue' are NOT very similar. 'Maritime' has a tendency to turn
from 'dark blue' to 'medium blue' to 'lavender' in the most unique of ways!
*** Porsche Centre Calgary's 'Maritime Blue' gt3 RS:
*** Steven's 'Maritime Blue' gt3 RS:
*** PeteyDaddy's 'Maritime Blue' gt3:
*** Porsche Centre Calgary / 'Maritime Blue' 911 in background.
'Gulf Blue' gt3 in the middle. 'Mexico Blue' gt3 in foreground.
From the link it looks like some type of grey.
I'm sure Eduardo can decode the build.
No, you can't tell the exact color from what
is posted at the link. I have always found
curious (& odd) that PAG/PCNA & their dealers
do not list the actual color name of a PTS
vehicle in either the Monroney sticker or in
the basic information found in their dealer's
websites. For example, here is what you see
when you click on the OP's link:
***
All Porsche needs to do is to continue to list the following:
But also add the PTS color name in parenthesis.
e.g. (Fashion Grey) or (Sport Classic Grey)
or whatever the PTS color is by the name that PAG
has approved for the hue after its feasibility study
was concluded.
***
Why the damn mystery? How many times have we wondered
what the color is of a PTS new car listed at a P-dealer? And
how many dealers have often mischaracterized a color of their
PTS cars? In fact, it was McKenna two years ago that insisted
in calling a 991 4S coupe they received 'Signal Orange' when
that color has not been approved yet for PTS. The car was in
fact 'Signal Yellow'!
01-24-2016, 03:09 AM
'Sport Classic Grey' as PTS on a 981 Spyder...
