718 GTS + $$$ >981 Spyder?
#31
Instructor
Trade an NA flat six for a turbo four? Nope, even though the turbo is faster in a straight line. Turbos lag, even Porsches. Have to accept turbos on my Macan S but for my toy pcar I prefer NA's faster / more predictable throttle response. Fabspeed race headers / Cobb protune make my 981 sound wicked with PSE open …
#32
Three Wheelin'
Value wise this is a NO-NO.Imo trade-in numbers for your spyder will be around 90k or worse , and a mid-optioned 718gts is like mid90 to 100k msrp. Depending on the 718's msrp & amount of discount you can negociate, don't be surprised if you end up paying extra for the trade-in. And that 718 is gonna lose 20-30k after a year 99%. Car wise it's totally personal & others' opinions really don't matter. I would pick 981 spyder for sure.
#33
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I crunched the numbers and in my circumstance it looks like I'd actually come out okay. But numbers notwithstanding, the only reason to do a trade, as stated in the original premise, is if the GTS offers 90% of the fun of the 981 Spyder. And in my subjective analysis, after driving a Cayman GTS, it just didn't feel that way. Not even close.
#35
Getting back to your original question...
If I were the dealer I'd say your dreaming if you think I'm giving you a 718 GTS + $20k for your used car. Yes there is rarity in the Spyder, but from a dealer perspective I don't think they are ever going to give you cash on this trade. You could probably do a straight trade, but that's the best I'd hope for.
If I were the dealer I'd say your dreaming if you think I'm giving you a 718 GTS + $20k for your used car. Yes there is rarity in the Spyder, but from a dealer perspective I don't think they are ever going to give you cash on this trade. You could probably do a straight trade, but that's the best I'd hope for.
#36
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Getting back to your original question...
If I were the dealer I'd say your dreaming if you think I'm giving you a 718 GTS + $20k for your used car. Yes there is rarity in the Spyder, but from a dealer perspective I don't think they are ever going to give you cash on this trade. You could probably do a straight trade, but that's the best I'd hope for.
If I were the dealer I'd say your dreaming if you think I'm giving you a 718 GTS + $20k for your used car. Yes there is rarity in the Spyder, but from a dealer perspective I don't think they are ever going to give you cash on this trade. You could probably do a straight trade, but that's the best I'd hope for.
#37
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Keep the Spyder! I've driven a friends Spyder a bunch of times and my dad has a 6 speed 718 S that I've driven tons. The 718 is fast, no doubt faster than the Spyder, but the engine just ruins it for me. It feels so rough at idle and under acceleration its just a loud buzz that increases in frequency. I want a naturally aspirated flat 6 motor in my Porsches, it's the most important part of them. I would never notice the weight savings and I wish they put an electric roof on the Spyder but I would not make that trade. Not ever
#38
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Theoretically, if you could trade a perfect 981 Spyder with classic Spyder interior, 18 way sofas, and PCCBs (MSRP 114) for a new 718 Boxster GTS plus say....$20,000 (MSRP 90) would you do it?
IOW, dealer gives me 718 plus cash for my car. A) am I dreaming? B) would you consider it)
IOW, dealer gives me 718 plus cash for my car. A) am I dreaming? B) would you consider it)
#39
If only it was air cooled, then it would be a real Porsche...blah, blah,blah...
#40
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I will not suggest that
if you get any money , you will immediately lose it the moment you sign the papers, as the 718 GTS will lose a lot of money compared to Spyder .
if you get any money , you will immediately lose it the moment you sign the papers, as the 718 GTS will lose a lot of money compared to Spyder .
#41
Three Wheelin'
I crunched the numbers and in my circumstance it looks like I'd actually come out okay. But numbers notwithstanding, the only reason to do a trade, as stated in the original premise, is if the GTS offers 90% of the fun of the 981 Spyder. And in my subjective analysis, after driving a Cayman GTS, it just didn't feel that way. Not even close.
#42
Burning Brakes
I had a 981 GTS and traded for a GT4. We also have a 718 that is my girlfriends daily. Granted, the 718 is base. It's not lost on me that the 718 GTS would be considerably more powerful and would have less lag. That said there are a few things that, even when the 718 GT4 launches, will keep me in the 981.
I dislike the 718 taillights, front bumper, reflectors in the rear, and changes to the dash/vents. Additionally, the 4 cylinder, while having torque down low just does not have the personality of the Flat 6.
I would hold onto the Spyder. But it isn't mine. My girlfriend loves her 718. And you might love a 718 GTS more than the Spyder. And that's all that matters. Drive it again, get trade value, and decide will make you happen!
I dislike the 718 taillights, front bumper, reflectors in the rear, and changes to the dash/vents. Additionally, the 4 cylinder, while having torque down low just does not have the personality of the Flat 6.
I would hold onto the Spyder. But it isn't mine. My girlfriend loves her 718. And you might love a 718 GTS more than the Spyder. And that's all that matters. Drive it again, get trade value, and decide will make you happen!
#43
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Even if the 90% fun part is true I still don't see the point of the move. A trade-in transaction is gonna cost you some $$ for sure(market value-whole sale value), say 5k-10k for a 100k car, so you are losing this much just to get a 90% fun car & some extra cash at hand. That's a hefty interest (even it's 20k cash which is not gonna happen). Given the fact that you own a 100k sports car I don't think you need that cash badly right? And this is before counting the big depreciation hit the 718 gonna get in a year. So that's why I say value wise it's NO-NO unlesss to you 718 is a much much better ride.
#44
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As noted in my earlier post, don’t compare the 981 GTS to the 718 GTS. Apples and Oranges.
#45
Three Wheelin'
Ultimately I agree with you. Trying to judge depreciation is a crystal ball type of maneuver, but the 981 GTSs have done pretty well, and the 981 Spyders are starting to come off of MSRP considerably. Anyway, when I drove the two back to back, the choice was easy, and had little to do with $.
The issue with the 718 GTS is that they are wayyyyy overpriced, reasonably optioned goes over 100k easily & most people with that kind of budget won't entertain with the idea of a 4-pot.