Farewell to my Red Spyder
08-09-2018, 01:02 PM
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08-09-2018, 03:34 PM
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Never mind the GT Silver still looks pretty quick too.
Really hope you manage to get a Speedster... What a perfect garage that would be.
Thanks for sharing your Spyder journey.
08-09-2018, 04:18 PM
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08-10-2018, 02:36 PM
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Here's your red one listed at Walters https://www.porscheriverside.com/inv...cc2a88gs152904
08-10-2018, 03:08 PM
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I feel you ......I pre-traded my Spyder for a 2019 RS will arrive in late Nov. process of elimination the 458 Spider which I love ....tough decisions, but someone will get a great Spyder. I’m guilty
08-11-2018, 03:10 PM
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08-11-2018, 03:13 PM
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Here's your red one listed at Walters https://www.porscheriverside.com/inv...cc2a88gs152904
.I think it's a good deal. 10k off msrp.
08-16-2018, 11:56 PM
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A cautionary tale can perhaps be learned from this car.
Because the owner has always been admirably transparent and open here about the damage to this car, we know that the car had undercarriage damage from running over a large piece of metal in the road, which then lodged itself between the under panels in the passenger floor pan. This resulted in replacement of undercarriage panels, the front bumper, the floor pan, and an air conditioning line by the dealer. Over $5K in repairs as I recall. The dealer had the car sent out for body work, too, if memory serves correctly, with the car being unavailable for a whole month or so while it was being repaired. Later, the car was involved in a parking lot collision, which, though it sounds very minor, did apparently result in the rear bumper being replaced (if I've got any of this wrong, I hope Andrew will clarify/correct). All of this was reported to insurance, as I recall, and was presumably known to the dealer performing the repairs, yet none of this information, none of these mechanical repairs, and none of the body work shows up on the CARFAX. In fact, the CARFAX states:
Structural DamageNo structural damage reported to CARFAX
Accident/DamageNo accidents or damage reported to CARFAX
I'm not hating on the car. Obviously, stuff happens to our cars sometimes and in this case all the repairs were dealer performed so you can't ask for much more than that. I'm sure the car is now in great shape. And I'm not hating on CARFAX. CARFAX is only as good as the information reported to it. But what I'm wondering is this:
If the dealer knows the accident/damage /repair history of the car, which, for whatever reason, is not reflected in the CARFAX, does the dealer do a disservice to the public if it basically represents a car as having no history of accident, damage or repair?
Put another way, what duty does a dealership have, if any, to disclose a car's known damage/accident/repair history if the CARFAX gives the erroneous impression that the car has led a totally trouble-free existence?
Maybe this is nothing more than a perfect example of caveat emptor and I shouldn't be bothered by it, but personally I would want to know if a car I am considering purchasing had both bumpers replaced due to incident, undercarriage damage, etc., even if it had been repaired to a high standard and now has a CPO extended warranty, as in this case.
Because the owner has always been admirably transparent and open here about the damage to this car, we know that the car had undercarriage damage from running over a large piece of metal in the road, which then lodged itself between the under panels in the passenger floor pan. This resulted in replacement of undercarriage panels, the front bumper, the floor pan, and an air conditioning line by the dealer. Over $5K in repairs as I recall. The dealer had the car sent out for body work, too, if memory serves correctly, with the car being unavailable for a whole month or so while it was being repaired. Later, the car was involved in a parking lot collision, which, though it sounds very minor, did apparently result in the rear bumper being replaced (if I've got any of this wrong, I hope Andrew will clarify/correct). All of this was reported to insurance, as I recall, and was presumably known to the dealer performing the repairs, yet none of this information, none of these mechanical repairs, and none of the body work shows up on the CARFAX. In fact, the CARFAX states:
No accidents reported to CARFAX.
No damage reported to CARFAX.I'm not hating on the car. Obviously, stuff happens to our cars sometimes and in this case all the repairs were dealer performed so you can't ask for much more than that. I'm sure the car is now in great shape. And I'm not hating on CARFAX. CARFAX is only as good as the information reported to it. But what I'm wondering is this:
If the dealer knows the accident/damage /repair history of the car, which, for whatever reason, is not reflected in the CARFAX, does the dealer do a disservice to the public if it basically represents a car as having no history of accident, damage or repair?
Put another way, what duty does a dealership have, if any, to disclose a car's known damage/accident/repair history if the CARFAX gives the erroneous impression that the car has led a totally trouble-free existence?
Maybe this is nothing more than a perfect example of caveat emptor and I shouldn't be bothered by it, but personally I would want to know if a car I am considering purchasing had both bumpers replaced due to incident, undercarriage damage, etc., even if it had been repaired to a high standard and now has a CPO extended warranty, as in this case.
08-17-2018, 02:40 PM
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A cautionary tale can perhaps be learned from this car.
Because the owner has always been admirably transparent and open here about the damage to this car, we know that the car had undercarriage damage from running over a large piece of metal in the road, which then lodged itself between the under panels in the passenger floor pan. This resulted in replacement of undercarriage panels, the front bumper, the floor pan, and an air conditioning line by the dealer. Over $5K in repairs as I recall. The dealer had the car sent out for body work, too, if memory serves correctly, with the car being unavailable for a whole month or so while it was being repaired. Later, the car was involved in a parking lot collision, which, though it sounds very minor, did apparently result in the rear bumper being replaced (if I've got any of this wrong, I hope Andrew will clarify/correct). All of this was reported to insurance, as I recall, and was presumably known to the dealer performing the repairs, yet none of this information, none of these mechanical repairs, and none of the body work shows up on the CARFAX. In fact, the CARFAX states:
Structural DamageNo structural damage reported to CARFAX
Accident/DamageNo accidents or damage reported to CARFAX
I'm not hating on the car. Obviously, stuff happens to our cars sometimes and in this case all the repairs were dealer performed so you can't ask for much more than that. I'm sure the car is now in great shape. And I'm not hating on CARFAX. CARFAX is only as good as the information reported to it. But what I'm wondering is this:
If the dealer knows the accident/damage /repair history of the car, which, for whatever reason, is not reflected in the CARFAX, does the dealer do a disservice to the public if it basically represents a car as having no history of accident, damage or repair?
Put another way, what duty does a dealership have, if any, to disclose a car's known damage/accident/repair history if the CARFAX gives the erroneous impression that the car has led a totally trouble-free existence?
Maybe this is nothing more than a perfect example of caveat emptor and I shouldn't be bothered by it, but personally I would want to know if a car I am considering purchasing had both bumpers replaced due to incident, undercarriage damage, etc., even if it had been repaired to a high standard and now has a CPO extended warranty, as in this case.
Because the owner has always been admirably transparent and open here about the damage to this car, we know that the car had undercarriage damage from running over a large piece of metal in the road, which then lodged itself between the under panels in the passenger floor pan. This resulted in replacement of undercarriage panels, the front bumper, the floor pan, and an air conditioning line by the dealer. Over $5K in repairs as I recall. The dealer had the car sent out for body work, too, if memory serves correctly, with the car being unavailable for a whole month or so while it was being repaired. Later, the car was involved in a parking lot collision, which, though it sounds very minor, did apparently result in the rear bumper being replaced (if I've got any of this wrong, I hope Andrew will clarify/correct). All of this was reported to insurance, as I recall, and was presumably known to the dealer performing the repairs, yet none of this information, none of these mechanical repairs, and none of the body work shows up on the CARFAX. In fact, the CARFAX states:
No accidents reported to CARFAX.
No damage reported to CARFAX.I'm not hating on the car. Obviously, stuff happens to our cars sometimes and in this case all the repairs were dealer performed so you can't ask for much more than that. I'm sure the car is now in great shape. And I'm not hating on CARFAX. CARFAX is only as good as the information reported to it. But what I'm wondering is this:
If the dealer knows the accident/damage /repair history of the car, which, for whatever reason, is not reflected in the CARFAX, does the dealer do a disservice to the public if it basically represents a car as having no history of accident, damage or repair?
Put another way, what duty does a dealership have, if any, to disclose a car's known damage/accident/repair history if the CARFAX gives the erroneous impression that the car has led a totally trouble-free existence?
Maybe this is nothing more than a perfect example of caveat emptor and I shouldn't be bothered by it, but personally I would want to know if a car I am considering purchasing had both bumpers replaced due to incident, undercarriage damage, etc., even if it had been repaired to a high standard and now has a CPO extended warranty, as in this case.
WP0CC2A88GS152904
now a google search on vin will bring up this post. I'm surprised Porsche was able to cpo this car
08-17-2018, 03:19 PM
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I’m surprised it’s not on carfax and it is disconcerting that there’s a way to skate by.
I’m not at all surprised that the dealer would CPO the car and I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t report the bodywork. Has anyone inquired to confirm what information the dealer is offering?
I’m not at all surprised that the dealer would CPO the car and I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t report the bodywork. Has anyone inquired to confirm what information the dealer is offering?