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Old 07-03-2018, 12:28 PM
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Hello, I've been mostly lurking here for years. I am looking to buy a car now. I have loved the Cayman since I first saw in on the lot in Las Vegas back in 2006. My wife is on her second Cayenne S, and we are PCA members.
I'm looking at 2 cars now and wanting any advice on these two cars. 1st is a 2001 911 with 54000 miles. I drove it last night. Black on black, full leather, updated Kenwood head unit, manual shift. This car seems in great shape newish tires, clutch and engine fell very strong. Seller has recent PPI and a ton of receipts, I didn't get into the paperwork yet, and told the seller that I wanted to look at another car before I make up my mind. He's asking $22K which is high KBB Private Party sale.
Car 2 is a 2006 Cayman S. Sport Crono and PASM, 78,000 miles. Pictures look very nice, black leather with dark wood trim. Also manual shift. Asking price $22,900, also high PP KBB.
My intended use will be a fun weekend car, PCA drives, DE track time and maybe even an AutoX or two.
Assuming both cars are in good shape, which should suit my needs best. What should I offer and not offend? Any comments or advice would be welcome. Thanks
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:32 PM
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Cayman is a modern car with no IMSB issue and a great DE car. Its not a 911 but its a better car than the 996.
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:37 PM
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Cayman is a modern car with no IMSB issue and a great DE car. Its not a 911 but its a better car than the 996.
They actually do still have IMS issues, albeit at a lower rate than the early 996's. Only '09+ DFI cars avoid IMS problems entirely, as you may know.

To OP: you need to test drive both to decide for yourself. I chose the 987 (and now 981). The Cayman is smaller, more nimble, and mid-engine. The 911 is, well, a 911. Both are good.
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:31 PM
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<1% IMSB reported failure rate is a non issue to many.
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:46 PM
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I personally do not like the lack of flares on the 996 and I don't like the headlights. I originally did not like the Cayman because of the humpy look of the roof line. Now that I own a 2006 Cayman, I'm in love with the car and I like the looks which have grown on me, certain angles look better than the 911 (IMHO). It's a fantastic car and on PCA road trips, the 911's have a tough time keeping up on the twisties. You didn't say what color the Cayman is except for black leather.
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Originally Posted by Tidybuoy View Post
I personally do not like the lack of flares on the 996 and I don't like the headlights. I originally did not like the Cayman because of the humpy look of the roof line. Now that I own a 2006 Cayman, I'm in love with the car and I like the looks which have grown on me, certain angles look better than the 911 (IMHO). It's a fantastic car and on PCA road trips, the 911's have a tough time keeping up on the twisties. You didn't say what color the Cayman is except for black leather.
thanks for all the quick response, I posted this this morning when I was just about to head out to work. I would like to add the Cayman is a silver with black interior. The pictures I’ve seen The body looks very good. The seller says the clutch was replaced at 70,000 miles. I understand the IMs issue is very low in these cars. This car is located in Tucson and I am in Mesa Arizona, I will likely head down tomorrow and have a look at it.
As for the 911, at 54,000 miles it still has the original clutch and the IMs issue has not been addressed. I was planning to use that as a bargaining chip to get my price down to around $20,000.
As far as the Cayman goes, would I be lowballing if I offered $20,000? Or what would be a good offer if the car is in very good condition as a seller states?

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<1% IMSB reported failure rate is a non issue to many.
Fair point.
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I just purchased my Silver/Black 2006 Cayman S a couple of months ago and I think that $20k would be lowballing too much as most of the Cayman S's that I looked at were in the high $20k to Low $30k range. Base Cayman/s go for lower. 70k miles should get you some level of discount. My mechanic told me that I should replace the IMS when I do the clutch since it is accessible at that time. Also consider tire condition as I just had to replace my tires and that was $1200. Of course, if it needs these type of things, then try and get the price down and then do your major maintenance.
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Old 07-03-2018, 05:15 PM
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Cayman. The only reason to get the 911 would be for the rear seats. Do you need those?
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Originally Posted by 996AE View Post
<1% IMSB reported failure rate is a non issue to many.
It is a non issue to 99% of the population. Just like IMS was a non issue to 98% of the Boxster and 911 population.
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It is a non issue to 99% of the population. Just like IMS was a non issue to 98% of the Boxster and 911 population.
The 2001-2005 IMS bearings are said to have a failure rate around 8%. That's an order of magnitude worse than <1% for the 2006-2008 bearings.

With that said, I wouldn't pick a car based off IMS bearing alone. The IMS bearing can be replaced on a 996 with a more durable part. Also, beware of bore scoring, particularly on the Cayman S. A boroscope check would be a good idea.

I don't think $20k USD would be a lowball offer for a 2006 Cayman S. Something in the 20-21k range would be a fair price I think.
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This is a screenshot of Kelley blue book app and set to “very good condition” for this car. Granted this Apple not allow me to add the sport Chrono and the PASM. It adds about $1500 if I say that it’s in excellent condition.
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:08 AM
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Cayman hands down as newer and less prone - I would save for a 987.2 or 997.2
996 ims closer to 10 percent plus bore score issues. Lost my 996 motor, very well maint car and ims done.
They are weak motors , ok for street not track or heavy DE imo, just go to any indy shop and ask. There is a reasin for complete design change in 09.

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Old 07-04-2018, 12:18 AM
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Cayman IMSB failure <1%

Dont confuse the newbie with 996 IMSB horror stories.

Get a PPI on the Cayman and have fun.
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