981 Spyder Crash
03-21-2018, 08:53 AM
#16
I really can't understand how anyone can see this video and feel like the driver is defensible in any way whatsoever.
It was a clear day, what circumstances do you think would have led to how he could have "hydroplaned"? ANY reasonably capable driver traveling at a normal rate of speed should be expected to be able to control a car well enough to not go veering off into a crowd.
Unless you are really stretching the limits of imagination to invent some sort of context as to why he may have had to swerve INTO A CROWD to avoid a collision with an unstable nuclear reactor, I'm really curious as to how you came to this conclusion.
It was a clear day, what circumstances do you think would have led to how he could have "hydroplaned"? ANY reasonably capable driver traveling at a normal rate of speed should be expected to be able to control a car well enough to not go veering off into a crowd.
Unless you are really stretching the limits of imagination to invent some sort of context as to why he may have had to swerve INTO A CROWD to avoid a collision with an unstable nuclear reactor, I'm really curious as to how you came to this conclusion.
I wasnt aware of the rest of the facts from the day until someone else posted a link to it all. I’ve seen people hit objects in the road and lose control while not being an asshat. Looking at the video that was posted in this thread only shows that he lost control, not what he had done to cause it.
So chill out bro.
03-21-2018, 12:10 PM
#17
How about because of the simple fact that speculation as to what happened isn’t a reason to damn someone?
I wasnt aware of the rest of the facts from the day until someone else posted a link to it all. I’ve seen people hit objects in the road and lose control while not being an asshat. Looking at the video that was posted in this thread only shows that he lost control, not what he had done to cause it.
So chill out bro.
What I do find unconscionable is that after the accident, the driver walked away and didn't offer any assistance to injured spectators.
03-21-2018, 12:33 PM
#18
Let's face it no one goes to cars and coffee and says I am gonna be that guy who crashes his car. No way the Spyder would react like that if he had the stability control on. So he purposefully turned it off. So that shows he knew what he was doing and the potential consequences that would bring about. He didn't INTEND for the car to lose control and him to not get the control back and hit a bunch of pedestrians. But tires are cold and he's gunning it what do you expect? He damned himself after he just walked away from the car and not appear to give a damn.
03-21-2018, 12:46 PM
#19
I'll criticize him for everything except his reaction after the fact. He just *accidentally* mowed down a bunch of people and was in shock.
Yes, it was ENTIRELY his fault, but in no way was he intending to maim a bunch of people. Losing one's self to shock in that scenario is not an abnormal reaction, nor a sign of an inability to feel empathy.
Yes, it was ENTIRELY his fault, but in no way was he intending to maim a bunch of people. Losing one's self to shock in that scenario is not an abnormal reaction, nor a sign of an inability to feel empathy.
03-21-2018, 07:13 PM
#20
I'll criticize him for everything except his reaction after the fact. He just *accidentally* mowed down a bunch of people and was in shock.
Yes, it was ENTIRELY his fault, but in no way was he intending to maim a bunch of people. Losing one's self to shock in that scenario is not an abnormal reaction, nor a sign of an inability to feel empathy.
Yes, it was ENTIRELY his fault, but in no way was he intending to maim a bunch of people. Losing one's self to shock in that scenario is not an abnormal reaction, nor a sign of an inability to feel empathy.
03-21-2018, 07:18 PM
#21
Rennlist Member
Personally, I was impressed that the car could do so much damage.... reminded me of all the mustang/corvette C&C burnout disasters youtube videos. I was saddened to then read that there were many people injured and that's been on my mind most now. Don't be that guy. I expect more from Porsche Owners.
03-21-2018, 07:46 PM
#22
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by fast1
What I do find unconscionable is that after the accident, the driver walked away and didn't offer any assistance to injured spectators.
03-22-2018, 09:02 AM
#23
Three Wheelin'
How about because of the simple fact that speculation as to what happened isn’t a reason to damn someone?
I wasnt aware of the rest of the facts from the day until someone else posted a link to it all. I’ve seen people hit objects in the road and lose control while not being an asshat. Looking at the video that was posted in this thread only shows that he lost control, not what he had done to cause it.
So chill out bro.
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What's to speculate? What other facts do you need? Clear day. Probably over 40 degrees due to people's attire and the top being down. Low posted speed limit based on traffic observed around the scene. Doesn't take a forensic examiner to deduce why the crowd was gathered; to watch and hear the cars. As someone mentioned earlier, we all know the capabilities of the traction control for these cars. And not to mention the precedence set from the dozens of similar videos.
In all honesty, before you got defensive I was seriously wondering if there was some other context that I was missing. Apparently not. Didn't look like he was being chased by anything life-threatening. Wasn't asleep at the wheel (still negligent besides). So abiding by what we as human beings understand about the laws of physics, what object in the road would cause him to careen into a crowd under a reasonable set of circumstances?
I understand that emotion isn't supposed to be a factor in justice. But 11 people were injured. Watch the video again. Look at the bodies flying. I honestly had a hard time believing no one was killed (thankful no one was), and an even harder time that no one suffered a permanent disability. But that's not even the emotional part.
Every victim here suffered equally; they were just standing around, enjoying the cars. No one deserved to be rammed into by a 3000 lb fast-moving object. But according to some of the news clips, among them was an 11 year old girl.
I take my 13 year old son to cars and coffee multiple times a month in the warmer seasons. Fortunately there's a far more responsible crowd.
Maybe you'd call it overreacting, or maybe I actually do have an anger management problem. But all I'll suggest is that I don't think I'd have a controllable emotional reaction if it were my kid that was injured, and I have a micro-reaction anytime I see something like this. And this is the worst one of these I've seen.
Sure he didn't mean to intentionally injure people, but that's what happened. His intent was to show everyone how cool he was driving his car beyond his ability to control it, and the consequences were people got injured. Could have easily been killed. Let it sink in. A child could have lost her life because of this guy's need to show off.
LET IT MARINATE as we walk through the tropes. No first kiss. No graduation day. No college, no walk down the aisle. Let's go full retard: maybe she would have developed a cure for cancer, or been a once in a generation star athlete, or run for president. In any case, a young life ripped away because why?
This douchebag wanted to turn his traction control off and do a burnout in front of a crowd.
So no. This clown doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, and I will convict him based on context.
#sorrynotsorry? What has this guy done to deserve it? Should we all feel sorry for him because he plowed into this crowd through no fault of his own?
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I consider myself a reasonable person, and am honestly wondering if I'm overreacting. And I am intentionally being a bit inflammatory, borderline facetious because it's a message board. But it does irritate me that people still aren't willing to acknowledge clear truths in spite of irrefutable evidence.
These people's right to stand there and not be maimed SHOULD interfere with this guy's right to be an idiot.
03-22-2018, 01:52 PM
#24
Nope, this hit a nerve so now I'm gonna be THAT guy.
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What's to speculate? What other facts do you need? Clear day. Probably over 40 degrees due to people's attire and the top being down. Low posted speed limit based on traffic observed around the scene. Doesn't take a forensic examiner to deduce why the crowd was gathered; to watch and hear the cars. As someone mentioned earlier, we all know the capabilities of the traction control for these cars. And not to mention the precedence set from the dozens of similar videos.
In all honesty, before you got defensive I was seriously wondering if there was some other context that I was missing. Apparently not. Didn't look like he was being chased by anything life-threatening. Wasn't asleep at the wheel (still negligent besides). So abiding by what we as human beings understand about the laws of physics, what object in the road would cause him to careen into a crowd under a reasonable set of circumstances?
I understand that emotion isn't supposed to be a factor in justice. But 11 people were injured. Watch the video again. Look at the bodies flying. I honestly had a hard time believing no one was killed (thankful no one was), and an even harder time that no one suffered a permanent disability. But that's not even the emotional part.
Every victim here suffered equally; they were just standing around, enjoying the cars. No one deserved to be rammed into by a 3000 lb fast-moving object. But according to some of the news clips, among them was an 11 year old girl.
I take my 13 year old son to cars and coffee multiple times a month in the warmer seasons. Fortunately there's a far more responsible crowd.
Maybe you'd call it overreacting, or maybe I actually do have an anger management problem. But all I'll suggest is that I don't think I'd have a controllable emotional reaction if it were my kid that was injured, and I have a micro-reaction anytime I see something like this. And this is the worst one of these I've seen.
Sure he didn't mean to intentionally injure people, but that's what happened. His intent was to show everyone how cool he was driving his car beyond his ability to control it, and the consequences were people got injured. Could have easily been killed. Let it sink in. A child could have lost her life because of this guy's need to show off.
LET IT MARINATE as we walk through the tropes. No first kiss. No graduation day. No college, no walk down the aisle. Let's go full retard: maybe she would have developed a cure for cancer, or been a once in a generation star athlete, or run for president. In any case, a young life ripped away because why?
This douchebag wanted to turn his traction control off and do a burnout in front of a crowd.
So no. This clown doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, and I will convict him based on context.
#sorrynotsorry? What has this guy done to deserve it? Should we all feel sorry for him because he plowed into this crowd through no fault of his own?
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I consider myself a reasonable person, and am honestly wondering if I'm overreacting. And I am intentionally being a bit inflammatory, borderline facetious because it's a message board. But it does irritate me that people still aren't willing to acknowledge clear truths in spite of irrefutable evidence.
These people's right to stand there and not be maimed SHOULD interfere with this guy's right to be an idiot.
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What's to speculate? What other facts do you need? Clear day. Probably over 40 degrees due to people's attire and the top being down. Low posted speed limit based on traffic observed around the scene. Doesn't take a forensic examiner to deduce why the crowd was gathered; to watch and hear the cars. As someone mentioned earlier, we all know the capabilities of the traction control for these cars. And not to mention the precedence set from the dozens of similar videos.
In all honesty, before you got defensive I was seriously wondering if there was some other context that I was missing. Apparently not. Didn't look like he was being chased by anything life-threatening. Wasn't asleep at the wheel (still negligent besides). So abiding by what we as human beings understand about the laws of physics, what object in the road would cause him to careen into a crowd under a reasonable set of circumstances?
I understand that emotion isn't supposed to be a factor in justice. But 11 people were injured. Watch the video again. Look at the bodies flying. I honestly had a hard time believing no one was killed (thankful no one was), and an even harder time that no one suffered a permanent disability. But that's not even the emotional part.
Every victim here suffered equally; they were just standing around, enjoying the cars. No one deserved to be rammed into by a 3000 lb fast-moving object. But according to some of the news clips, among them was an 11 year old girl.
I take my 13 year old son to cars and coffee multiple times a month in the warmer seasons. Fortunately there's a far more responsible crowd.
Maybe you'd call it overreacting, or maybe I actually do have an anger management problem. But all I'll suggest is that I don't think I'd have a controllable emotional reaction if it were my kid that was injured, and I have a micro-reaction anytime I see something like this. And this is the worst one of these I've seen.
Sure he didn't mean to intentionally injure people, but that's what happened. His intent was to show everyone how cool he was driving his car beyond his ability to control it, and the consequences were people got injured. Could have easily been killed. Let it sink in. A child could have lost her life because of this guy's need to show off.
LET IT MARINATE as we walk through the tropes. No first kiss. No graduation day. No college, no walk down the aisle. Let's go full retard: maybe she would have developed a cure for cancer, or been a once in a generation star athlete, or run for president. In any case, a young life ripped away because why?
This douchebag wanted to turn his traction control off and do a burnout in front of a crowd.
So no. This clown doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, and I will convict him based on context.
#sorrynotsorry? What has this guy done to deserve it? Should we all feel sorry for him because he plowed into this crowd through no fault of his own?
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I consider myself a reasonable person, and am honestly wondering if I'm overreacting. And I am intentionally being a bit inflammatory, borderline facetious because it's a message board. But it does irritate me that people still aren't willing to acknowledge clear truths in spite of irrefutable evidence.
These people's right to stand there and not be maimed SHOULD interfere with this guy's right to be an idiot.
03-22-2018, 03:15 PM
#25
Rennlist Member
I'll criticize him for everything except his reaction after the fact. He just *accidentally* mowed down a bunch of people and was in shock.
Yes, it was ENTIRELY his fault, but in no way was he intending to maim a bunch of people. Losing one's self to shock in that scenario is not an abnormal reaction, nor a sign of an inability to feel empathy.
Yes, it was ENTIRELY his fault, but in no way was he intending to maim a bunch of people. Losing one's self to shock in that scenario is not an abnormal reaction, nor a sign of an inability to feel empathy.
In the video it shows the driver stepped out of the car and walked back towards the crowd he had just hit. I don't think he was trying to walk away from the scene and run. It's a horrible situation to say the least, I hope no one has to go through such a thing. What he did was reckless and unnecessary especially with so many people around watching. This kind of accidents happen in rally though where there are spectators around the road and if the car goes off... no bueno.
Everyone please be careful on public roads! A moment of fun is not worth a lifetime of regret. That is why we have track days.
03-22-2018, 04:19 PM
#26
Three Wheelin'
All kidding aside, this is a sore subject for me. I'm not 100% sure why as I haven't been directly affected by a similar event, but I do get all high and mighty when I see people misbehaving on the street in 2 ton killing machines.
I agree with everything you said. In one of my last accidents, despite being a small accident, I was in shock and didn't know how to handle the situation... Pretty sure none of us can comprehend what is going through the driver's head, he's probably thinking 'Oh my god! I just killed a bunch of people!'.
In the video it shows the driver stepped out of the car and walked back towards the crowd he had just hit. I don't think he was trying to walk away from the scene and run. It's a horrible situation to say the least, I hope no one has to go through such a thing. What he did was reckless and unnecessary especially with so many people around watching. This kind of accidents happen in rally though where there are spectators around the road and if the car goes off... no bueno.
Everyone please be careful on public roads! A moment of fun is not worth a lifetime of regret. That is why we have track days.
In the video it shows the driver stepped out of the car and walked back towards the crowd he had just hit. I don't think he was trying to walk away from the scene and run. It's a horrible situation to say the least, I hope no one has to go through such a thing. What he did was reckless and unnecessary especially with so many people around watching. This kind of accidents happen in rally though where there are spectators around the road and if the car goes off... no bueno.
Everyone please be careful on public roads! A moment of fun is not worth a lifetime of regret. That is why we have track days.
), so he had to be freaking out. And spectators at rally stages or any track event assume a level of risk (but especially at rally stages). Cars and coffee should not be considered such a high risk event... although with the evidence mounting, maybe that view deserves some further thought.
03-22-2018, 04:52 PM
#27
This is a reasonable response. I'm not faulting the guy for how he reacted after the fact at all; I'm not sure how a human mind could consume the possibility that an embarrassing choice and subsequent action could have costed actual human life, which I'm pretty sure he had to be thinking. Again I don't think the guy is 100% a dick (I don't think anyone's 100% a dick ), so he had to be freaking out. And spectators at rally stages or any track event assume a level of risk (but especially at rally stages). Cars and coffee should not be considered such a high risk event... although with the evidence mounting, maybe that view deserves some further thought.
), so he had to be freaking out. And spectators at rally stages or any track event assume a level of risk (but especially at rally stages). Cars and coffee should not be considered such a high risk event... although with the evidence mounting, maybe that view deserves some further thought.
So my sympathies go out to those who were injured, and not to the driver who caused the injuries.
03-22-2018, 08:05 PM
#29
Rennlist Member
After reading the thread and knowing so many folks were injured, I didn't even consider viewing the video. Though at fault, the driver obviously had no intention to hurt anyone IMHO and hopefully he and everyone reading this will learn something and think twice about turning off the nannies or Take some driving lessons! I want to do that at the Porsche Center here in SOCAL.
03-22-2018, 10:53 PM
#30
Rennlist Member
Stupid is as stupid does.
Most of us can drive away from a C&C, car show, or other gathering without having to show off. And those who can't resist need to own any outcomes, foreseen or not, intended or not.
So, yeah, running into 11 people deserves some public shaming, in addition to whatever legal consequences fall on his head.
Most of us can drive away from a C&C, car show, or other gathering without having to show off. And those who can't resist need to own any outcomes, foreseen or not, intended or not.
So, yeah, running into 11 people deserves some public shaming, in addition to whatever legal consequences fall on his head.