Denny Swift

I agree. Porsche used to be the leader. They (and everyone else) followed Nissan on the rev matching. However, Nissan still allows it to be deactivated by a stand-alone button. How that is too much for Porsche, boggles the mind. And now the 992 copied the door handles from Tesla.

Marine Blue

Porsche seems to be heavily focused on the Chinese market to the point that many of the design cues, options and overall driving experience revolve around that market. I'm still convinced the 718 is a direct result of catering to the Asian and European markets. But when you look at the bigger picture the only real benefit of the 718 over the 981 is the smaller liter output which pushes the car into a lower emissions and tax bracket in other country. There's no mpg, power or weight benefit. Hopefully this next Spyder is geared more towards the enthusiast. If it is done by the GT department then it likely will be a more focused car and maybe lighter?

Suicide Jockey

Thanks for clarifying.


This I wasn't aware of.

blacksheepSpyder

My thoughts are that the next gen Cayman/Boxster will be electric and should be in '24. The GT4 will likely be a 21 -23 car and and the spyder will only be a 23.

Noah Fect

What kills me is that no one ever asks them why they do things like this.

No. One. Ever. Asks.

No journalists who interview Preuninger or Walliser or any other big wheels in engineering at Porsche ever ask them anything like, "Why don't you leave important controls like enabling and disabling rev-matching up to the driver? And why in the world would you tie the functionality to an important safety feature that it has absolutely no logical connection with?"

That boggles my mind.

pleasereset

Seems like you are forgetting about the torque, where the 718S kills it in AutoX and effortlessly turns track times awfully close to a GT4 (https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/circu...gny-cours-club).

spyderphile

Nick, here is the quote from the review:
"......The manual comes with a rev-matching function, but unfortunately, it can't be switched off — a shame, because for me, it distracted from what a slick, joyful thing the manual is. ...."

Here is an excerpt of SportChrono Package from the Configurator, for the base build:

• Rev-match function – in conjunction with Manual Transmission, the SportChrono package provides a rev-match function in both SPORT and SPORT PLUS modes, matching engine RPM to transmission speed for smooth downshifts

So, the T probably doesn't have Normal mode; or, the rev-match is enforced even in Normal. Non-T models have the rev-match in Sport as well, as opposed to only in Sport Plus in Spyder. So, the 982 drivers are hosed to begin with; it can't be disabled with SportChrono. However, one could choose not to get SportChrono; but, you would also lose other benefits of the package! The Spyder will have SportChrono baked in. If it isn't exempt from this dumb decision, then we've a problem. Well, I've a problem!

Agree. I've driven pretty extensively with PSM off. However, if there is an incident, the insurance company could pull the data from the black box. If they find that the PSM was turned off at the time of the incident, I could be held liable, at least partly. So, I would prefer not to mess around much.

Totally agree. I'll never drive a car with that shi*ty feature, if it can't be disabled or stayed away from!

I've called Porsche Customer Relations and made a passionate plea why the next Spyder should leave the rev-match to Sport Plus mode. The rep listened sympathetically and opened a case. I intend to call them periodically to followup until I speak to an exec or get a definitive response. I doubt it though since they can't speak about upcoming model. Let me see how far I can go. I also plan to open a petition. If we collectively make a plea from the forum, could make a difference.

CaymanSinAR

Lapis

hf1

I just don't see the downside to making it a separate button regardless of mode chosen, like the PSE for instance. Why combine choices into "must go together" packages at all? Any feature that someone may prefer to be OFF for whatever reason should be amenable to being individually turned on or off by choice, unless that would hurt the car in some way.

Mark Dreyer

Gravs

I'm not a heel and toe expert but I never use the Rev matching in 981 Spyder. It just feels so fake when you let the clutch out. It matches both going up and down so you miss out on a load of feel. As I've said before it feels like a clunky PDK.

spyderphile

I'm trying to reach out to PCNA through the dealer. All I want is just to maintain how it is done in the 981 Spyder. Those who want the rev-match could do so via Sport Plus. Others could stay away from it.This is somewhat similar to MT vs PDK debate. I would never ever drive an auto. But, I don't criticize those who do. Similarly, it doesn't matter to me if someone uses rev-match, for whatever reasons. However, I despise the fact that Porsche shoves that feature down and completely ruining it for those who want an unfiltered experience. Having a choice is a good thing; something for everyone!

Selo

Slightly OT:. I'm getting so damn impatient waiting for this car (and so aggravated at how few MT choices are out there) I feel like I need to get something else temporary to play with. If I already have a 981 Spyder, will a Backdraft or FFR Cobra feel like junk?

n4v4nod

Hmmm... Wonder if this means the same for the Boxster? Last time production shifted... it was only for the Cayman and the Boxster stayed with the 911.
https://europe.autonews.com/automake...an-911-success