CaymanSinAR

Why not? Lord knows they made a zillion 991.2 GT3s.

Suicide Jockey

That IS true.

Maverick787

Keep the 981, I only sold to make room for the RS. 981 is a beautiful car, and the new is very similar performance.

Suicide Jockey

Didn't know that. So you're paying $1,500 more for yellow or red thread over the silver? Ouch. That's some expensive thread!

For some (not me), the all red interior on the RS60 is a lot to take in. For those folks, SCI gives a healthy dose of red but doesn't beat you over the head with it throwing in plenty of black to offset. Love 'em both.

Hold on to that car!

I'm definitely sitting tight with the 981, but if I was Spyder-less I would be all over the 982.

Z356

I am the only one that has a weird new format for Rennlist????
How do I get back to a regular/normal format????


My understanding is that Rear Axle Steering works best on a vehicle like a 911 and
not a mid-engine car. The latter is already prone to spin easily as the result of it's
center of gravity being closer to the center. But I'll let others more knowledgeable
about automotive dynamics give you a better answer.

***
Sorry to inform you that I missed out getting my Ferrari during the glory days of
Fiat Chrysler ownership. FCA spun off Ferrari in 2016 and it's now a private
company.

https://autoweek.com/article/car-new...-fiat-chrysler

I know it was always good fun to say a Ferrari is just a Fiat. But those days
are over. Which is more than I say for Porsche which unfortunately is still
just a VW...if the we follow your logic.




'Poltrona Frau' supplies the superior grade semi-aniline leather
hides to Ferrari. Maranello does the sewing of leather on the
panels, etc, for their cars.









*
The Panamera that I know used 'Poltrona Frau' leather was the 'Exclusive' limited edition (200 units):





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I have asked my dealer to inquire if Leather to Sample
will be available on the 718 Boxster Spyder. As I get
closer to having an allocation & ordering the car, I will
take the matter up with Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur.
It wouldn't surprise me if they don't allow it at the start
of Spyder production...just as they have told my dealer
that PTS is not YET possible on a 718 Spyder. Not a
particular smart way for Porsche to reward those of us
that had the forethought & invested their money in a
deposit years ago with a Porsche dealer to be among
the first on the wait list for the new 718 Spyder. As
is now the new normal, Porsche cares little about their
most loyal customers. Not having either PTS or LTS
ready for it's first & most loyal Spyder customers is a
real travesty.

And yes, 'Natural Brown' still remains my favorite interior
on a Porsche. It was last offered as an option on the
997...and since via Leather to Sample.



http://lifeandtimes.com/the-top-cars-of-porsche-custom

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Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

hf1

Eduardo, what would be your price estimate for Leather to Sample on the Spyder?

Z356

I don't really know on the two seaters. But perhaps we should ask the person that
ordered this incredible 'Ascot Brown' interior on his LTS custom 'Cayman' order:



https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9983...le-thread.html

I remember that on the 991, Leather to Sample is not that much more than the
top-of-the-line natural leather 'Espresso/Cognac' dual tone option. The problem
is that all the plastic trim pieces with LTS default to 'Black' plastic. And to do an
interior elegantly, you often have to spend more $ covering the various air vents
& speaker trims in leather. But frankly it's well worth it.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

hf1

That Ascot Brown leather is pure sex! Wow... Does LTS automatically come in the better quality "natural" type leather like in the natural brown? The more I learn about these leather options the more I want to hold onto my gt silver / natural brown Boxster. The combo is just stunning and replicating it on anything new seems like is going to be a major hassle and $$$.

JSF101

Eduardo speaks the truth
certainly is a travesty that Caymans & Boxsters get the short end for PTS and LTS
willing to cut PAG a little slack because of the production move but only a teeny bit, not like they didn't know all of this in advance

Ferrari is a publicly traded company
ticker: RACE (what else)

love the natural brown leather, been trying to convince the wife that's what we need

two years ago we met with Yana and configured a PTS Cayman S wanted LTS but it wasn't available with certain options to make the overall interior look uniform
never did get a PTS allocation even though the dealer ordered a spec PTS that sat on the showroom for months
just another reason why I feel like PTS is a big rabbit hole for the majority, and especially the Cayman/Boxster customers

evilfij

Eduardo,

First, thank you again for all your help and advice. And also the entertaining posts. When you are not around you are missed.

As I am sure you figured out, the fiat comment was all in good fun. I was just talking to my friend who is waiting on his portofino from Algar Ferrari. Grigio something over the nicer leather (but in black). I actually have a 1970s fiat leather key chain for my Jeep for the irony and because I no longer own a Ferrari. Maybe I should get a VW one for the Porsche.

As far as leather to sample on a 718 spyder or GT4, assuming it becomes available, it will, I believe, unfortunately, not be the screaming bargain it is on a base/S/GTS 718 ($4470 for the basic LTS package). When you add the available options in leather you should get it ends up double that, but really the main one you want is the extended upper dash leather for $1600 or so.

Here is a quick base 718 LTS build I did with all the available leather options that are available with LTS.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PKXNM9C3

You can add more leather via CXX as the boxster with ascot did.

Taking the lesson from the 991, LTS was $5600 on a carrera and the delta over stock leather on a turbo. For the GT3, GT3RS and speedster (ie GT cars like the GT4 and 718 spyder), all LTS is CXX. I have a CXX thread in the 991 GT forum where members shared what they were able to get and costs, but to give you a flavor, to do the front seats is ~$8900 and some members have reported you either have to pay a special handling fee to get any non-current leather (e.g. espresso or cognac was fine, but say ascot or natural brown might incur a handling fee or be denied outright). The full leather to sample interiors ended up in the $50k range. Graham Rahal did one in all pebble grey, for example. There was one a PEC Atlanta which was all espresso (with wood trim). Somewhere I have the build sheets for them.

Regarding PTS and early builds, to my knowledge, PTS has never been available on early builds. I see your point that the early builds may be the best or most dedicated customers, but I think everyone knows the game and if you want PTS you wait and see (and maybe are disappointed). More so with LTS. But it can and does happen, even for mere mortals like me.

Which brings us full circle to this post back toward when I started my quest for a PTS GT3.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post14199890

The diligence point I took to heart, probably a bit too much (I have tracked 137 out of 155 North American PTS GT3 tourings, for example). Leaf green did not quite work out, but I think Auratium is just as good (and if PAG had the PTS list right and listed it as uni and not metallic back in the day, I would not have even bothered with leaf). I think an Auratium 718 spyder is just the ticket for another open top car for me.

So I guess I would say if you really. want a PTS spyder, do what I am doing and be patient and wait. My hunch is that, even if PTS does not become available, there will be additional colors added as time goes on as it is a multi-year production car. Besides, I am sure the Independent Italian Auto Manufacturer Car Type 488 vehicle can keep you entertained for a while.

PS I am going to look at this leaf green backdate hot rod tomorrow, so maybe I am not over the leaf green thing after all.

evilfij

For reference:

The leather to sample thread (mainly focused on the option not CXX) I started.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9983...le-thread.html

The CXX thread I started.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...th-prices.html

Let’s hope PAG will take our money and open all the acronyms for the 718 Spyder. . If they let me, I would spend $8900 to have the LWB in onyx black from the 918. And I’d still do the base interior. I wish there was an emoji for lighting money on fire.

Mash

Jamie140

Pure sex. But I'm a little surprised he didn't do piping on the seats.

Z356

I don't know for sure but the fact is few people even know that option is available. It wasn't when
we started discussing in Rennlist these special options (later to be known as CXX) back in 2012.
Here is what a Rennlister I know from the gt3 forum recently text me about 'piping' and it's cost.
In his case, it involved the LWS 'Full Buckets' offered on the gt3 & also the 718 Boxster Spyder.



"The blue piping (or any color piping you want from a handful of colors they have) is one of the choices
that’s included in the CXX fully customized seats, which also lets you choose any color of leather for the
seat bolsters, any color leather for the inserts or else alcantara or houndstooth options for the inserts,
and choice of a few different embroidery/embossing options on the headrests (and choice of stitching
color for that headrest embroidery). You can also have just regular stitching instead of piping and choose
any available color of that for the seats too. Altogether, it’s an $8875 option. In my case, I used it to do
the black/silver houndstooth inserts and blue piping. I paid another $1100 or so extra for the “special wish”
to have them embroider the “touring” script logo into the headrests instead of the customary options which
would have been either “GT3” script logo only embroidered, “GT3” script logo embroidery and Porsche crest
embossed, or just Porsche crest embossed.

In my case I just went with the standard black smooth leather for the seat bolsters despite having the option
had I wanted to choose a different color leather for them for the same price. I’ve seen some beautiful CXX
seats others have done with different color leathers on the seats in combination with the houndstooth inserts.
But I think it only works well if you also start choosing that same leather for other parts of interior like center
console armrest, door cars, dash, etc, and if you do that, each of those becomes another expensive CXX
option and you can easily exceed $25K in CXX interior leather options alone to make it all coordinate."

So hopefully this information might be of some value to anyone that might be interested in this, albeit
very expensive, option.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

Z356

Thank you evil for the kind words. The fact is that automotive
enthusiast forums have become more uncivil with time. And that
is one of the reasons that I am not posting as often here in Rennlist.
The often unruly 991gt3 forum is case in point. And the lack of
wisdom by some of our moderators doesn't help. Luckily we have
a very good crowd here in the 981 forum. But it's not a disease
just affecting us at Rennlist. I recently found out the hard way that
the FerrariChat crowd makes our spoiled brats often found in our
991 gt3 forum look like mature & savvy chaps! And the weak
moderators at that Tifosi site make ours look like the wise judges
of King Solomon's court in ancient Israel! An unbiased observer
will probably find the discussions at FerrariChat is often very
elitist. And many close-minded opinions (e.g. regarding Porsche
owners, etc) often dominate the conversation. Sadly I have found
that many of their posts support the negative stereotypes found
in the general public's mind re: the typical Ferrari 'enthusiast' in
our country...a coddled group of owners that ooze an unearned
sense of entitlement.



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Maybe that Portofino your friend is expecting at Algar might be
painted in a metallic color called 'Grigio Silverstone'. I happen
to think it's a great color...but I might be biased.



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That is not entirely true. For example as recently as a few months
ago Porsche allowed the Speedsters to be ordered in PTS from the
very start of the order process. This is a fact that can be confirmed
in the 991 gt3 forum if you research that topic. And PAG went out
of it's way to do a special PTS list that was distributed to its dealers
which specified what PTS colors would be available for the Speedster
since not all PTS approved colors could be ordered on that particular
model. Here is just a portion of that special PTS list for the Speedster:



Porsche has now supposedly transferred 100% all Boxster & Cayman
productions to the old Karmann paint & assembly facility at Osnabrück.
That production location has the ability to do PTS. The fact is that PAG
has known for a very long while that they were going to start production
of the 718 Spyder & gt4. And Germans are world renown for their ability
to plan. So there is NO EXCUSE for Porsche not to offer it's most loyal
& faithful customers (those that put hard-earned money deposits long ago
at P-dealers to be on the 718 Spyder/GT4 wait list) the option of Paint-to-
Sample on those early allocations. I think it's high time we stop making
excuses for PAG for the way they treat their loyal customers. And the
sooner the better because otherwise they will continue to disregards this
portion of their customer base (which is well represented here in enthusiast's
forums like Rennlist).



*******
Hope springs eternal. But the 987 Boxster Spyder had the dubious
honor of having the second least amount of color choices (seven ?)
for a model in Porsche history...right behind the three offered on the
original 1954 Pre-A Speedster!

I was ver much hoping that PAG would include 'Lizard Green' as a
color choice for the 718 Spyder. And this 'Special Color' (which was
not PTS) was offered a few months ago to ALL their Speedster
customers. But it was not to us with the 718 Spyder or gt4. I would
have taken it if that color was an option. In general, I would say that
being 'patient & wait' doesn't describe the mood many people I know
here at Rennlist. Especially if these loyal souls have put a healthy
$ deposit to be on the wait list at their Porsche dealer for at least two/
three years. But what do I know. Maybe 'patience' will be rewarded
in a year or two. But if that is the case, there is something wrong with
Porsche's 'Best Practices' in regards sales planning to their very loyal
customers!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale