982 GT4 Spyder?
02-20-2018, 06:11 PM
#151
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This is a silly logic. While something like GT3 motor costs more to make, it does not cost 56k more. Or probably even 10k more.
In the price you're paying for the name and cachet a particular model brings. In other words, you're paying as much as the market will bear, generally speaking, unless Porsche makes a mistake and underprices a model. Still, little to do with the actual parts bin cost.
In the price you're paying for the name and cachet a particular model brings. In other words, you're paying as much as the market will bear, generally speaking, unless Porsche makes a mistake and underprices a model. Still, little to do with the actual parts bin cost.
02-20-2018, 06:15 PM
#152
The point is the price is set as high as the market will bear.... we don't think Porsche sucks at pricing their cars, do we?
GT4 or Spyder with actual even detuned GT3 engine will cost big bucks no doubt, I'd bet on $100-110k base price...
02-20-2018, 06:17 PM
#153
you have no clue what Porsche is charging for things these days do you? X51 for 911S... $12k. And that’s just heads, two cams and some engine tuning. I can’t imagine what titanium rods cost....probably $15k for a set? Crower charges $7-10k for a set of ti rods these days.
02-20-2018, 06:40 PM
#154
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. Porsche does not manufacture the exotic parts in the 4.0l engine. I believe the pistons are made my Mahle or Wossner, and Pankl makes the rods. So they can only absorb so much cost.
02-20-2018, 08:31 PM
#155
One is dependent upon the other and the manufacture of a GT3 motor costs a lot more than the manufacture of the standard 3.8 Carrera motor. If Porsche puts the same exact 4l in the GT4/Spyder platform, just with smaller throttle bodies/ECU tune, either the base price of those cars is going to jump by 20+ percent or Porsche is going to be eating cost and profit, something Porsche isn't likely to do. You don't become the most profitable automaker in the world by doing your customers a solid and lowering the profit margins on your product. Also, there would be some pretty pissed off GT3 owners if the same motor were available for $40-50k less in the GT4 platform. Still might happen, but I think people counting on it may be guilty of wishful thinking.
02-21-2018, 12:23 AM
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One is dependent upon the other and the manufacture of a GT3 motor costs a lot more than the manufacture of the standard 3.8 Carrera motor. If Porsche puts the same exact 4l in the GT4/Spyder platform, just with smaller throttle bodies/ECU tune, either the base price of those cars is going to jump by 20+ percent or Porsche is going to be eating cost and profit, something Porsche isn't likely to do. You don't become the most profitable automaker in the world by doing your customers a solid and lowering the profit margins on your product. Also, there would be some pretty pissed off GT3 owners if the same motor were available for $40-50k less in the GT4 platform. Still might happen, but I think people counting on it may be guilty of wishful thinking.
The inferior rear suspension and detuned engine will not tread on the RWS GT3 thereby keeping the 911 GT3 crowd at bay.
The only thing i can figure with the motor cost is the fact that they will be sharing it in so many models.... more production equals lower cost to produce.. GT3, GT3R,GT3RS,GT3T "Spyder", "GT4", maybe even Speedster. That is alot of engines. And considering the engine cost less to manufacture then the mezger, it should help keep the cost of this engine reasonable. in theory of course.
Im sure the parts department will still want stupid money for replacement engines...
02-21-2018, 12:23 AM
#157
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IMHO... Food for thought... I think there is a difference between manufacturing and development cost. When the GT3 launched, Porsche had to pay for both... now that it's been out for a bit development cost might be paid for? (maybe not?) We all know that the GT4/Spyder will not get a completely new engine and that it will get a version of something (NA 4.0, NA 3.8, Turbo 3.0, Turbo 4 pot). Point is a ton of the expense is in the actual development side of things and if borrowed margins will be higher. I think we all agree if it does come with the NA 4.0, it will be detuned quite a bit via internals and ECU. I do think pricing for both the GT4 and Spyder will have a dramatic increase from the 981.
Update: wrote my post before seeing tcsracing's post... basically saying the same thing
Update: wrote my post before seeing tcsracing's post... basically saying the same thing
02-21-2018, 03:22 AM
#158
I see a lot of people saying that the price of the 718 GT4 will be significantly higher than the 981 GT4.
Are there actual examples from the past where Porsche jacked up the price on the same model designation between iterations ??
The reason I ask this is because I have seen more consistency in porsche's pricing than some other car makers. Also, the 981 GT4 was produced in very low numbers and with a manual transmission only when there was no GT3 with a manual transmission available. The 718 GT4 would not be considered as special as the 981 GT4 even if it happens to be a better car. A lot of the demand that was seen for the 981 GT4 will not translate to the same degree for the 718 GT4.
Are there actual examples from the past where Porsche jacked up the price on the same model designation between iterations ??
The reason I ask this is because I have seen more consistency in porsche's pricing than some other car makers. Also, the 981 GT4 was produced in very low numbers and with a manual transmission only when there was no GT3 with a manual transmission available. The 718 GT4 would not be considered as special as the 981 GT4 even if it happens to be a better car. A lot of the demand that was seen for the 981 GT4 will not translate to the same degree for the 718 GT4.
02-21-2018, 10:43 AM
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I see a lot of people saying that the price of the 718 GT4 will be significantly higher than the 981 GT4.
Are there actual examples from the past where Porsche jacked up the price on the same model designation between iterations ??
The reason I ask this is because I have seen more consistency in porsche's pricing than some other car makers. Also, the 981 GT4 was produced in very low numbers and with a manual transmission only when there was no GT3 with a manual transmission available. The 718 GT4 would not be considered as special as the 981 GT4 even if it happens to be a better car. A lot of the demand that was seen for the 981 GT4 will not translate to the same degree for the 718 GT4.
Are there actual examples from the past where Porsche jacked up the price on the same model designation between iterations ??
The reason I ask this is because I have seen more consistency in porsche's pricing than some other car makers. Also, the 981 GT4 was produced in very low numbers and with a manual transmission only when there was no GT3 with a manual transmission available. The 718 GT4 would not be considered as special as the 981 GT4 even if it happens to be a better car. A lot of the demand that was seen for the 981 GT4 will not translate to the same degree for the 718 GT4.
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02-21-2018, 11:52 AM
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02-21-2018, 12:28 PM
#161
That is true, but I don't think that's a good data point. Very significant cost differences between the two engines. Not saying it won't happen, but I don't think any of this data pushes a likely outcome in either direction.
02-21-2018, 12:44 PM
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But given Porsche have now swapped pricing around to make the 718 Boxster more expensive than the 718 Cayman this give them ground to launch the Spyder at a higher price if it is launched before the GT4.
02-21-2018, 01:15 PM
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02-21-2018, 01:36 PM
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The 981 Spyder and GT4 didn't have the internals from the GT3, they had the 3.8 from the Carrera S. If Porsche puts the 4.0l in the 718 GT4/Spyder with all the GT3 internals in there, it will be a big departure from the last go round and it will be considerably more expensive.