Originally Posted by unclemat
(Post 14816112)
This is a silly logic. While something like GT3 motor costs more to make, it does not cost 56k more. Or probably even 10k more.
In the price you're paying for the name and cachet a particular model brings. In other words, you're paying as much as the market will bear, generally speaking, unless Porsche makes a mistake and underprices a model. Still, little to do with the actual parts bin cost. |
Originally Posted by Archimedes
(Post 14816303)
That's absolutely not true when you're talking about a motorsport engine. It costs a lot more. $56k more? Doubt it. But it's not about the same price as the standard 3.8l Carrera motor. Not even close.
The point is the price is set as high as the market will bear.... we don't think Porsche sucks at pricing their cars, do we? GT4 or Spyder with actual even detuned GT3 engine will cost big bucks no doubt, I'd bet on $100-110k base price... |
Originally Posted by Five12Free
(Post 14816419)
you have no clue what Porsche is charging for things these days do you? X51 for 911S... $12k. And that’s just heads, two cams and some engine tuning. I can’t imagine what titanium rods cost....probably $15k for a set? Crower charges $7-10k for a set of ti rods these days. |
Originally Posted by unclemat
(Post 14816436)
Go read my post again. What their charging vs. what it cost them to make are two different things. I was commenting on the latter.
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Originally Posted by unclemat
(Post 14816436)
Go read my post again. What their charging vs. what it cost them to make are two different things. I was commenting on the latter.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
(Post 14816775)
One is dependent upon the other and the manufacture of a GT3 motor costs a lot more than the manufacture of the standard 3.8 Carrera motor. If Porsche puts the same exact 4l in the GT4/Spyder platform, just with smaller throttle bodies/ECU tune, either the base price of those cars is going to jump by 20+ percent or Porsche is going to be eating cost and profit, something Porsche isn't likely to do. You don't become the most profitable automaker in the world by doing your customers a solid and lowering the profit margins on your product. Also, there would be some pretty pissed off GT3 owners if the same motor were available for $40-50k less in the GT4 platform. Still might happen, but I think people counting on it may be guilty of wishful thinking.
The inferior rear suspension and detuned engine will not tread on the RWS GT3 thereby keeping the 911 GT3 crowd at bay. The only thing i can figure with the motor cost is the fact that they will be sharing it in so many models.... more production equals lower cost to produce.. GT3, GT3R,GT3RS,GT3T "Spyder", "GT4", maybe even Speedster. That is alot of engines. And considering the engine cost less to manufacture then the mezger, it should help keep the cost of this engine reasonable. in theory of course. :) Im sure the parts department will still want stupid money for replacement engines... |
IMHO... Food for thought... I think there is a difference between manufacturing and development cost. When the GT3 launched, Porsche had to pay for both... now that it's been out for a bit development cost might be paid for? (maybe not?) We all know that the GT4/Spyder will not get a completely new engine and that it will get a version of something (NA 4.0, NA 3.8, Turbo 3.0, Turbo 4 pot). Point is a ton of the expense is in the actual development side of things and if borrowed margins will be higher. I think we all agree if it does come with the NA 4.0, it will be detuned quite a bit via internals and ECU. I do think pricing for both the GT4 and Spyder will have a dramatic increase from the 981.
Update: wrote my post before seeing tcsracing's post... basically saying the same thing ;) |
I see a lot of people saying that the price of the 718 GT4 will be significantly higher than the 981 GT4.
Are there actual examples from the past where Porsche jacked up the price on the same model designation between iterations ?? The reason I ask this is because I have seen more consistency in porsche's pricing than some other car makers. Also, the 981 GT4 was produced in very low numbers and with a manual transmission only when there was no GT3 with a manual transmission available. The 718 GT4 would not be considered as special as the 981 GT4 even if it happens to be a better car. A lot of the demand that was seen for the 981 GT4 will not translate to the same degree for the 718 GT4. |
Originally Posted by Gatte
(Post 14817546)
I see a lot of people saying that the price of the 718 GT4 will be significantly higher than the 981 GT4.
Are there actual examples from the past where Porsche jacked up the price on the same model designation between iterations ?? The reason I ask this is because I have seen more consistency in porsche's pricing than some other car makers. Also, the 981 GT4 was produced in very low numbers and with a manual transmission only when there was no GT3 with a manual transmission available. The 718 GT4 would not be considered as special as the 981 GT4 even if it happens to be a better car. A lot of the demand that was seen for the 981 GT4 will not translate to the same degree for the 718 GT4. |
Originally Posted by 63A 981510
(Post 14817327)
I think we all agree if it does come with the NA 4.0, it will be detuned quite a bit via internals...
We don't know this, yet. The 981 Spyder engine internals did not change. If the 718 Spyder has the 4.0 I would bet on the internals being the same. |
Originally Posted by il pirata
(Post 14818262)
We don't know this, yet. The 981 Spyder engine internals did not change. If the 718 Spyder has the 4.0 I would bet on the internals being the same.
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Originally Posted by guab
(Post 14818366)
That is true, but I don't think that's a good data point. Very significant cost differences between the two engines. Not saying it won't happen, but I don't think any of this data pushes a likely outcome in either direction.
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Originally Posted by il pirata
(Post 14818262)
We don't know this, yet. The 981 Spyder engine internals did not change. If the 718 Spyder has the 4.0 I would bet on the internals being the same.
My guess is they dumb down the throttle body. Maybe intake and cams too. |
Originally Posted by roders
(Post 14818403)
But given Porsche have now swapped pricing around to make the 718 Boxster more expensive than the 718 Cayman this give them ground to launch the Spyder at a higher price if it is launched before the GT4. |
Originally Posted by il pirata
(Post 14818262)
We don't know this, yet. The 981 Spyder engine internals did not change. If the 718 Spyder has the 4.0 I would bet on the internals being the same.
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