981 Spyder & GT4 Wheel Weights
#16
Burning Brakes
Are lighter wheels more susceptible to failure? Does fragility increase with reduced weight, as they get punished with pot holes, bumps, dips, etc.? Forged process could be stronger than cast. With multiple pieces in a forged wheel, is the failure isolated to the individual piece, theoretically? I have been running Forgeline in S2000 for close to 10 years; have been extremely reliable.
#17
Three Wheelin'
Good explanation; thanks. Lighter wheels seem to have significant positive impact on motorcycles in particular. It seems, ridden back to back with forged/CF wheels vs cast, riders were able to perceive the difference in flickability, turn-in, etc. Besides weight savings, you do get personalization. And, yes, Spyder's wheels are good.
#18
Rennlist Member
Good explanation; thanks. Lighter wheels seem to have significant positive impact on motorcycles in particular. It seems, ridden back to back with forged/CF wheels vs cast, riders were able to perceive the difference in flickability, turn-in, etc. Besides weight savings, you do get personalization. And, yes, Spyder's wheels are good.
#19
Three Wheelin'
Yeah, riders tracking with CF wheels rave about turn-in. Even on the streets, they make a difference. The suspension needs to be tweaked accordingly as well.
#20
Rennlist Member
I ordered a set of Forgeline CF205s this week. I think the fronts, 20x9, are 16 lb. and observed a rear, 20x11, on a scale at 17 lb. 13 oz. That's a good savings on unsprung weight and they are great looking with the large CF weave. Did the centers in Pearl Grey.
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Due to the combined impact of linear and rotational inertia of a wheel, back of the napkin calculations I did last week estimated that the impact on acceleration of weight savings on wheels is amplified by a factor of approximately four. The exact factor depends on the radial weight distribution of a wheel, but this factor was based off my guesstimated weight distribution knowing the approximate cross section of typical wheels.
If we use my factor of four, it would mean that 16 lbs of wheel weight savings (4 lbs per wheel) would be equivalent to removing 64 lbs from the body of the vehicle with respect to acceleration improvements.
My own 987 Boxster currently has 18x8.5 front and 18x11 rear Turbo Look II wheels off a 996 C4S. They were installed by the previous owner. Somehow, they just (barely) fit without spacers, and the 265 wide tires on the rear look a bit stretched on 11” wide wheels. I’ve ordered new BBS RIA 18” forged wheels that are 18.5/19.5 lbs, much less than my current 28/32 lbs cast wheels. The BBS RIA aren’t the lightest wheels around, but they’re forged and reasonably priced to suit my car (around $1k USD per wheel). I’m pretty excited about reducing my wheel weights by 44 lbs total, as that should be equivalent to removing a passenger with regards to acceleration.
If we use my factor of four, it would mean that 16 lbs of wheel weight savings (4 lbs per wheel) would be equivalent to removing 64 lbs from the body of the vehicle with respect to acceleration improvements.
My own 987 Boxster currently has 18x8.5 front and 18x11 rear Turbo Look II wheels off a 996 C4S. They were installed by the previous owner. Somehow, they just (barely) fit without spacers, and the 265 wide tires on the rear look a bit stretched on 11” wide wheels. I’ve ordered new BBS RIA 18” forged wheels that are 18.5/19.5 lbs, much less than my current 28/32 lbs cast wheels. The BBS RIA aren’t the lightest wheels around, but they’re forged and reasonably priced to suit my car (around $1k USD per wheel). I’m pretty excited about reducing my wheel weights by 44 lbs total, as that should be equivalent to removing a passenger with regards to acceleration.
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