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Old 02-21-2018, 07:56 PM
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Given the success of the 981 GT4s I think they have now learned if you build it they will buy it
They increase the 991.2 GT3 pricing to make room for the new GT4 price bump.
Even if they priced it at the price of the 991.1 GT3s they know they will still sell out.
Old 02-21-2018, 08:54 PM
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If they put the some iteration of the GT3 4.0 in the 718, won’t the cost of ownership skyrocket due to the required maintenance on the engine?
Old 02-22-2018, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Craig67
If they put the some iteration of the GT3 4.0 in the 718, won’t the cost of ownership skyrocket due to the required maintenance on the engine?
What would be the required maintenance above and beyond the outgoing GT4 3.8L?
Old 02-22-2018, 07:53 AM
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My understanding was the 4.0 was more of a race engine than the 3.8 and therefore requires more upkeep and/or a more deeper dive into things at a lesser mileage interval. Maybe I am wrong?
Old 02-22-2018, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Craig67
My understanding was the 4.0 was more of a race engine than the 3.8 and therefore requires more upkeep and/or a more deeper dive into things at a lesser mileage interval. Maybe I am wrong?
It will be dependent on how high strung the engine is. If they set the redline at 9000 RPM and horsepower is also at the top end then yes it will need more frequent maintenance. However if they dial everything back, which is likely the case for a Spyder it should have normal maintenance intervals.
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Ok thanks Ashfin!
Old 02-22-2018, 12:44 PM
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This must be a slow time for news, since we are discussing maintenance intervals for a hypothetical engine.
Old 02-22-2018, 01:32 PM
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Lol.....good one.
Old 02-22-2018, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fast1
This must be a slow time for news, since we are discussing maintenance intervals for a hypothetical engine.
Old 02-22-2018, 03:55 PM
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I was driving my Spyder this past weekend and it got me thinking that if they put the 4.0l in the new one and bump the HP and torque up by any measurable level, they absolutely need to put wider tires and SC2s on the car. The car as it sits is really under tired, though manageable at the current power level. Add another 10% HP and increase TQ at the low/mid range and it's going to need much more grip, which I think would really change the nature/position of the Spyder in the marketplace. I wonder if Porsche would actually do that. It seems like a much bigger departure for the Spyder than the GT4 obviously.
Old 02-22-2018, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
I was driving my Spyder this past weekend and it got me thinking that if they put the 4.0l in the new one and bump the HP and torque up by any measurable level, they absolutely need to put wider tires and SC2s on the car. The car as it sits is really under tired, though manageable at the current power level. Add another 10% HP and increase TQ at the low/mid range and it's going to need much more grip, which I think would really change the nature/position of the Spyder in the marketplace. I wonder if Porsche would actually do that. It seems like a much bigger departure for the Spyder than the GT4 obviously.
The test mules I've seen have GT4 wheels and MPSC2 tyres, GT4 brakes so presumably GT4 suspension as well. So I agree character will change. Not for the better if one likes the existing Spyder. But better I suppose if one wants a GT4 convertible.
Old 02-22-2018, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gravs
The test mules I've seen have GT4 wheels and MPSC2 tyres, GT4 brakes so presumably GT4 suspension as well. So I agree character will change. Not for the better if one likes the existing Spyder. But better I suppose if one wants a GT4 convertible.
Which strikes me as odd market placement, as I don't think there are that many people who want a true GT4 convertible. The hard core guys will want the hardtop. And many of the Spyder buyers will want the playful, less hardcore car. The GT4 owners that I heard talking about wishing they had a Spyder did so precisely because they preferred the very different character of the Spyder. They weren't just jonesing for the wind in their hair. They were interested because it was a very different car. I find it hard to believe that a large percentage of the GT4 buyer pool would prefer the same car with no roof or that a large percentage of Spyder buyers were super disappointed that their cars didn't have way more grip or more aggressive suspension and alignment.
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Just wondering if there will ever be an end to the search for more and more HP. The first 911 I purchased many decades ago had about 200 HP, and I thought that was more than adequate. The current 781S has around 350 HP and apparently that isn't sufficient. I understand that Porsche loves this HP game because it helps them to sell cars and the more the HP, the higher the price. I've had the pleasure of driving a 987 Spyder on many occasions, and I thought that car had a perfect blend of handling, power, braking, feedback, and exhaust sound. I can't imagine that adding more HP to that car would improve the driving pleasure, at least not for the street.

Bottom line it comes down to how someone intends to use his car. If it's primarily a track car, then I appreciate the desire for more HP. For the street I'm not certain more power is required, except maybe as a selling tool for Porsche.
Old 02-22-2018, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
...or that a large percentage of Spyder buyers were super disappointed that their cars didn't have way more grip or more aggressive suspension and alignment.
You hit the nail on the head. I was super disappointed that my car didn't come with a rear view camera. ;-)
Old 02-22-2018, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fast1
The current 781S has around 350 HP and apparently that isn't sufficient.
I find it exceptionally sufficient.

I'm dying to know about the 718 Spyder and GT4 not because of the power, but whether or not it will be NA. If it is a turbo four I don't have any interest (because I'd just get a 718 S instead). If it is a NA 6 I am all kinds of interested. The 718 chassis with a NA 6 would be my holy grail.


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