718 refresh or replacement
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I think after the release of the 718 Spyder we will see an entirely fresh design, on schedule just like in the past. I would even put a wager on it.
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Technically the base platform (skeleton if you will) for the 981 and 982 are built upon are the same. The 986, 987, 981 were all different platforms from which the actual geometry is completely different, where the 987.1 to 987.2 and 981 to 982 share platforms and use the same geometry.
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Platform change is what I'm trying to figure out. Regardless of how many changes they made from 981 --> 982, it's still on the same platform. Same chassis dimensions, construction (materials), underlying electronics and hardware that dates back to around 2012.
It's hard to believe that Porsche will continue making the 982 chassis with the 992 starting production later this year. There has to be cost savings by moving to a '983' Boxster and Cayman, and again sharing parts with the 992. So the question is what people think about either...
It's hard to believe that Porsche will continue making the 982 chassis with the 992 starting production later this year. There has to be cost savings by moving to a '983' Boxster and Cayman, and again sharing parts with the 992. So the question is what people think about either...
- A '983' coming out 18-24 months from now, or
- 982.2 coming out 18-24 months from now, and a '983' coming out another ~3 years after that... although that seems like a long time to keep a 2012 chassis in production...
#20
The Carrera chassis and the Cayman chassis are entirely different animals. Assuming one will change with the other is a mistake.
Will the next Cayman/Boxster be different? Sure. But so was the 718 vs. the 981. Go compare part numbers. I'll bet you 85+% of the car was new in the 718, but you can believe whatever you want. Sounds like you're just trying to support a conclusion you've already made.
Will the next Cayman/Boxster be different? Sure. But so was the 718 vs. the 981. Go compare part numbers. I'll bet you 85+% of the car was new in the 718, but you can believe whatever you want. Sounds like you're just trying to support a conclusion you've already made.
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Large parts of the structure of the 981 and 991 car are identical, especially from the aft edge of the door openings forward. Not talking about exterior body panels or interior trim panels. Talking about the structure itself. From the aft edge of the door openings rearward, there are major differences, maybe even 100%, structure-wise. Front suspension and steering components are very similar or identical between the 981 and 991. Rear suspension is of course very different.
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Large parts of the structure of the 981 and 991 car are identical, especially from the aft edge of the door openings forward. Not talking about exterior body panels or interior trim panels. Talking about the structure itself. From the aft edge of the door openings rearward, there are major differences, maybe even 100%, structure-wise. Front suspension and steering components are very similar or identical between the 981 and 991. Rear suspension is of course very different.
Back on topic though, the 718 and the 981 are entirely different cars. Hence why they didn't just call it the 981.2.
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Large parts of the structure of the 981 and 991 car are identical, especially from the aft edge of the door openings forward. Not talking about exterior body panels or interior trim panels. Talking about the structure itself. From the aft edge of the door openings rearward, there are major differences, maybe even 100%, structure-wise. Front suspension and steering components are very similar or identical between the 981 and 991. Rear suspension is of course very different.
#24
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Platform change is what I'm trying to figure out. Regardless of how many changes they made from 981 --> 982, it's still on the same platform. Same chassis dimensions, construction (materials), underlying electronics and hardware that dates back to around 2012.
It's hard to believe that Porsche will continue making the 982 chassis with the 992 starting production later this year. There has to be cost savings by moving to a '983' Boxster and Cayman, and again sharing parts with the 992. So the question is what people think about either...
It's hard to believe that Porsche will continue making the 982 chassis with the 992 starting production later this year. There has to be cost savings by moving to a '983' Boxster and Cayman, and again sharing parts with the 992. So the question is what people think about either...
- A '983' coming out 18-24 months from now, or
- 982.2 coming out 18-24 months from now, and a '983' coming out another ~3 years after that... although that seems like a long time to keep a 2012 chassis in production...
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So you're saying some of the sheet metal on the bottom of the car is similar, but everything else is different? Because those two cars have different wheelbases, different front and rear tracks, different suspension geometry and components, different engines, different transmissions, different engine placement, entirely different bodies and largely different interiors. Maybe they share an ashtray?
Back on topic though, the 718 and the 981 are entirely different cars. Hence why they didn't just call it the 981.2.
Back on topic though, the 718 and the 981 are entirely different cars. Hence why they didn't just call it the 981.2.
#27
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In all fairness when Porsche opted to change the power plants it caused a ripple effect on having to update other bits. They retuned the suspension, had to beef up the clutch, elected to move the motor a bit causing the need for different engine mounts and subsequent modifications to many panels. They also elected to cosmetically change the upper dash and fit a new windshield and had to address different cooling needs. I always thought the 981 brakes were on the small side so they enlarged those as well. Had there been a 981.2 I'm sure Porsche would have done some similar changes as part of a typical refresh. When Porsche updated the 997.1 to .2 they also lowered the engine within the chassis causing a similar redesign to include the suspension since that was the issue they were trying to solve. It's nothing extraordinary. This wasn't major surgery. It was a systematic modification of an existing platform. Why Porsche elected to change the designation to 982 is anyone's guess. They are still kin unlike any changes after a model's typical 8-year run. I will never view the 982 as something completely different from the 981. They're first cousins!
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In all fairness when Porsche opted to change the power plants it caused a ripple effect on having to update other bits. They retuned the suspension, had to beef up the clutch, elected to move the motor a bit causing the need for different engine mounts and subsequent modifications to many panels. They also elected to cosmetically change the upper dash and fit a new windshield and had to address different cooling needs. I always thought the 981 brakes were on the small side so they enlarged those as well. Had there been a 981.2 I'm sure Porsche would have done some similar changes as part of a typical refresh. When Porsche updated the 997.1 to .2 they also lowered the engine within the chassis causing a similar redesign to include the suspension since that was the issue they were trying to solve. It's nothing extraordinary. This wasn't major surgery. It was a systematic modification of an existing platform. Why Porsche elected to change the designation to 982 is anyone's guess. They are still kin unlike any changes after a model's typical 8-year run. I will never view the 982 as something completely different from the 981. They're first cousins!
#29
To your point I recall reading a couple years ago that Porsche was strongly considering offering a less expensive 4 cyl car. The thought was that the pricing was going to be in the sub $50K area to compete with cars like the Audi TT.
#30
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That would make perfect sense if you look at the Alfa 4c which is a direct competitor. It could be Porsche is looking beyond all this as they look to usher in the electric sports car era. Which is interesting when you consider the sound debate. Actually having the muted sound of the turbo 4 will help them transition to electric. It would be quite a shock to go from the NA roar to electric. Having the turbo 4 in place today is taking sound out of the equation as an integral part of the Porsche sports car experience. One day I'll own an electric Porsche I'm sure. I won't ever give up my flat 6 NA for it.