Maximum camber on a 981
Anyone know the maximum camber you can get from a 981? I have a 2013 Boxster S with PASM and am thinking about adjusting the suspension, but the max camber is small, I probably won't bother.
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Just do LCAs on the 987. You can get around 4 degrees or more. Not that you’ll need that much. |
Can probably get -1.5 with PASM, at least -1.0. It's not really worth messing with without camber plates or LCA's, as pointed out above. -1.5 will still leave your outside edges getting eaten alive if you drive hard at the track.
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What do you consider small? I think the factory settings on my PASM equipped 981 GTS was -1.0° in the front and -1.5° in the rear. Front also has +8° of caster. When I looked there was a good 9mm of additional space in the slotted strut towers to dial in more negative camber in the front.
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The camber adjustment built into these cars is designed to account for minor differences chassis to chassis as they come off the assembly line. (At least that’s what my friend who is a Porsche mechanic told me.). As a result the amount of camber adjustment is fairly small and varies a bit between cars. On my X73 suspension we were able to get about -2.0 front and I think close to -1.4 rear. I still eat up tires, so use tires that can be flipped on the rims for best results. Yes, the adjustable control arms will be going in soon. |
Does anyone know if the rear strut towers are slotted? I assume not since the camber is adjustable via the eccentric bolt, but can't hurt to ask i guess. Every bit of neg camber helps!
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Originally Posted by txbdan
(Post 16300621)
Does anyone know if the rear strut towers are slotted? I assume not since the camber is adjustable via the eccentric bolt, but can't hurt to ask i guess. Every bit of neg camber helps!
Here are some data points for a 981 car with X73: To achieve even tire wear during track day use you will need -2.5 front and rear. I could get -2.0 front and rear with stock suspension parts. You will get less negative camber with stock non-X73 suspension, not sure about PASM. I added GT3 LCAs to front and Tarrett adjustable rear toe links to achieve -2.5 front and rear. FWIW, the OEM rear camber specs with X73 are a maximum of -2.0 rear camber, can't recall what front spec limit is. I get asked frequently if the -2.5 camber is bothersome during street driving to which I reply no, it isn't. If you drive thousands of miles on street wtih -2.5 you will see noticable uneven tire wear, insides wearing more of course. |
gt3 control arms will get you as much as you'll need short of running slicks. I run 3.25 on a 986 with nitto nt01s and I'm happy with tire wear.
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I think i'll shoot for -2.8 to -3.0 up front which i can hopefully get with 10mm shims (GT3 LCAs) and the strut mounts pushed all the way in. I'm afraid if i run more shim than that i'll run into issues with the tie rod ends not being long enough. What do you guys think?
I've heard the toe links are also a limiting factor on rear neg camber. :/ I'm running a time trial series that classes via mod points so i'm trying to avoid all the aftermarket parts i can to avoid taking points for them. On my old E36 track car i ran -3.5 up front with zero toe. I didn't drive the car much on the streets, but i drive it on 8hr trips to various tracks and it drove fine and the tire wear was fine. Inside tire wear is more due to toe. |
Originally Posted by txbdan
(Post 16302147)
I think i'll shoot for -2.8 to -3.0 up front which i can hopefully get with 10mm shims and the strut mounts pushed all the way in. I'm afraid if i run more shim than that i'll run into issues with the tie rod ends not being long enough. What do you guys think?
I've heard the toe links are also a limiting factor on rear neg camber. :/ I'm running a time trial series that classes via mod points so i'm trying to avoid all the aftermarket parts i can to avoid taking points for them. On my old E36 track car i ran -3.5 up front with zero toe. I didn't drive the car much on the streets, but i drive it on 8hr trips to various tracks and it drove fine and the tire wear was fine. Inside tire wear is more due to toe. |
Originally Posted by okie981
(Post 16302385)
If you are asking about adding wheel spacer shims and pushing the top of the front struts all the way in with stock 981 S model LCAs adjusted all the way out for negative camber, I don't think you can get more than -2.1 or -2.2 regardless of what OEM suspension you have.
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Originally Posted by txbdan
(Post 16302147)
I think i'll shoot for -2.8 to -3.0 up front which i can hopefully get with 10mm shims (GT3 LCAs) and the strut mounts pushed all the way in. I'm afraid if i run more shim than that i'll run into issues with the tie rod ends not being long enough. What do you guys think?
I've heard the toe links are also a limiting factor on rear neg camber. :/ I'm running a time trial series that classes via mod points so i'm trying to avoid all the aftermarket parts i can to avoid taking points for them. On my old E36 track car i ran -3.5 up front with zero toe. I didn't drive the car much on the streets, but i drive it on 8hr trips to various tracks and it drove fine and the tire wear was fine. Inside tire wear is more due to toe. |
Originally Posted by PorscheAddict
(Post 16302875)
I'm definitely running more than 10mm without tie rod issues. My car is at -3.0 front and I still have room in the slots to go more neg (don't want more than that for street/track).
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Originally Posted by txbdan
(Post 16302890)
What suspension/ride height? Do you know how much LCA shim exactly? Thanks for the info!
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Wow, yeh so i should be fine regarding tie rod end length then. Thanks!
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