Huntley Racing

They are seeeeexy and mean! Take a look!! <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

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Finn

Your system looks really nice.One question concering the MAP.Does it work together with the original Motronic ? If so, do you have some "special" chips on your setup ? If Motronic is not used, how about the function of gauges ?

Finn

Huntley Racing

Your original Motronic is still on-board but we provide electronics which are installed allongside the ECU which eccentially takes over for the ECU to control timing, fuel mapping rev limits, throttle curves etc... It is trulyt a world class set-up without any comprimises.

Tom Pultz

[quote]Originally posted by Huntley Racing:
<strong>They are seeeeexy and mean! Take a look!! <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>Well, I don't know about sexy... but it's interesting. Still looks a bit like test-mule prototype stuff. How does it perform in real-world driving? Think you can beat out the SFR setup that provides a "boost" pressure of 0 psi at 3000 rpm

jason952

Those pics show an 8V head, right? Where are the 16V SC pics?

J

Tom Pultz

[quote]Originally posted by TurboTim:
The fact is that both of our kits will make more then 0 psi of boost at 3000 rpms.<hr></blockquote>I realize that. My comment was tongue and cheek. Notice big green smiley. [quote]As far as performance goes....if our supercharger can make the same amount of torque at 3000 rpms with 0 boost as a roots blower at 5psi of boost, I think their is a hands down winner.<hr></blockquote>How do you manage that? If one engine has 5 psi of boost and the other has nearly zero, doesn't that mean the one with 5 psi has to be flowing more CFM of air to make the boost pressure? And doesn't that produce more power? [quote]As a matter of fact, our torque curve looks very similiar to the roots torque curves.<hr></blockquote>The torque curve on your website for the NA 944 with SFR supercharger kit does not look very flat. By comparison, the HR Eaton torque curve is very flat. [quote]As far as top-end power goes...I dont think their is a roots blower in existance that can rival the supercharger we are using.<hr></blockquote>I wouldn't argue with that, but there must be a reason that 100% of all "from the factory" mass-produced supercharged engines use the Eaton.
[quote]I still have my doubts about superchargers, high compression and the A/C.<hr></blockquote>Good to hear that. I have my doubts to, especially considering the limited amount of long-term testing. [quote]Only time will tell if you can have a safe reliable supercharged car with the a/c still functioning.<hr></blockquote>Yep, time conquers all.

Huntley Racing

As with the other kits we have done this kit makes close to full boost immedietly off idle. This is the nicest power curve I have had the pleasure to drive in a long time. Tourqe start to finish and never ending HP! We have run as high as 11 PSI on a 2V car with our Stage III intercooled kit with no ill effects and will continue testing as time goes on. The 2V kits are starting from the top and working down to the lower stage kits. The 944 2V Stage III SC car will be on the track in a few weeks for more testing and tuning, not to mention a little 944 Turbo bashing! <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

Huntley Racing

By the way pics of our CNC intake manifolds are up on our site. Our SC race car with new WATER PUMP will be at the track in two weeks proving its abilities. The S2 kit will be dynoed with the A/C on for those that are intested. Also the S2 Cab with SC#3 will race at the California Speedway against the 'Big boys' with the A/C on and sterio playing in May. One of the first HR-SC-968s will be at the Nurburgring 12 hour enduro next month! The Red HR SC#3 car will be at the 'Tribute to Le Mans' 4 hour day/night enduro the end of May. See you at the track!

Tom Pultz

[quote]Originally posted by John Anderson:
"The kit will be set at 4.5 PSI to 5 PSI of boost which makes 280 HP and 250 TQ at the wheels (at the crank it makes 336 HP and 300 TQ)".

But in the local Windblown Witness PCA MAG, he quotes 380HP?<hr></blockquote>280 vs 380. Looks like a typo to me.

[quote]"The Stage II kit will conservativly make 300 HP at the wheels or more. The stage III will make closer to mid 300 HP range"

Still to be seen, just hype and vaporformance at this time.<hr></blockquote>OK, and where's the results for your S2 kit running 7 psi? Still to be seen.

[quote]"We have run 9-10 PSI in testing which, though not needed, shows that the supercharger is more than possible of making 400+ HP! We simply have the best total solution to power your 944 based car."

Well our SC unit is more than capable of over 800hp! (check the ATI site for the proof) But we never hype that.<hr></blockquote>You don't hype it for good reason, it's a meaningless statement. Your centrifugal supercharger may in fact have the capability to flow 1200 cfm, and if it were flowing this much air on the appropriate vehicle it might produce 800 HP. So what. It doesn't flow anywhere near that amount on the S2... if it did the boost pressure would be 40+ PSI.

[quote]"The 944 S2 is making more HP than a 928 GTS out of a 4 cyl!"

Wow, great! But the S2 has cams and headwork<hr></blockquote>I believe Derrek put the stock cams back in, and by Tim's own admission, head work doesn't do much.

[quote]and on the third try, for a local Non Porsche Specific race, it made it! But unfortunately, the car would overheat after four laps and had to stop early.<hr></blockquote>And you relate this to the supercharger installation, imlying that your system is better? How about this, just maybe it might have been something else, like a bad water pump or other cooling system failure.

[quote]Huntley still has not said the model number number of the blower on the red car he SC'd, what about the model number and year of blower on his test 944S2?<hr></blockquote>And what is the significance of this? As far as I know, the supercharger was purchased new from <a href="http://www.magnusonproducts.com/" target="_blank">Magnuson Products</a>. It's essentially an Eaton M90 with some port work by Magnuson. [quote]How about any customers by name that have the kit?<hr></blockquote>Isn't the kit still under development? The CNC manifold appears to be finished, so I'm sure it won't be long and they will be available.

[quote]SFR will show our list. Infact...I'll post the list with emails, and hopefully tele numbers<hr></blockquote>OK, let's see it.
[quote]We have nothing to hide, and we don't sell vapor.<hr></blockquote>But you sure can act like a spoiled brat at times. Time to move on John and drop the attacks. You guys can make your product, Derrek can make his, and the marketplace will decide which one (if any) they prefer.

The comments expressed here are my own. I have no association with HR or SFR and don't care who "wins" or "loses" in this debate. Competition is good for product development. Hopefully something good will come of it.

Huntley Racing

Well, we'll see...we'll see....Derrek quoted the following:
Sunday, January 06, 2002 3:25 PM, to the Rennlist,
"We will be taking the SC 944S2 to the Carlsbad Raceway for some 1/4 times
and 0-60 times. We will also be doing a track day at Willow Springs. As
they say the gauntlet has been thrown!"
We showed, but Derrek did not.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Showed, when? We never set a date or time to be there!?!? What kind of mis-info are you trying to shovel?

Derrek also posted on 01-06-2002 15:01 to the discussion boards,
"The kit will be set at 4.5 PSI to 5 PSI of boost which makes 280 HP and 250 TQ at the wheels (at the crank it makes 336 HP and 300 TQ)".
But in the local Windblown Witness PCA MAG, he quotes 380HP?

&gt;&gt;&gt;First the 380HP is at the wheels and second those are examples of custome projects that can be done, not have been done, can be done. Never was it said, anywhere, that we has a 968 with 380 HP. However if someone would like us to build one they can give us a call.

Derrek also posted on 01-06-2002 15:01 to the discussion boards,
"The Stage II kit will conservativly make 300 HP at the wheels or more. The stage III will make closer to mid 300 HP range"
Still to be seen, just hype and vaporformance at this time.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Apperitly you have a hard time with not measuring up?

IN the same post again, Derrek wrote
"We have run 9-10 PSI in testing which, though not needed, shows that the supercharger is more than possible of making 400+ HP! We simply have the best total solution to power your 944 based car."
Well our SC unit is more than capable of over 800hp! (check the ATI site for the proof) But we never hype that.

&gt;&gt;&gt;I think people are a little more intelligent then you give them credit for. A V8 Mustang with an ATI blower on it running 30 PSI is not the same as a 944 makeing 400 HP at the crank. Do you actually think the listmembers are unable to read and comprehend?

Derrek posted on, 01-07-2002 13:17 to the 928 discussion boards:
"The 944 S2 is making more HP than a 928 GTS out of a 4 cyl!"
Wow, great! But the S2 has cams and headwork, derrek has a dyno chart on his site with a 928GTS with the same type cam and headwork, I think the numbers are quite different :-)

&gt;&gt;&gt;You are starting to lose my interest. You don't know what the S2 has NOW, 10 months ago maybey but you are out of the loop.

THe list goes on and on....even a post a while agao about Neil's red 944 8Valve ("the Huntley Racing" red car), being at willow springs to show the world...it never made it for that date, and it failed to make it the second date...and on the third try, for a local Non Porsche Specific race, it made it! But unfortunately, the car would overheat after four laps and had to stop early.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Actually it made it to the second date and did run hot which was not due to the SC. Of course never actually having raced or supported a race car like Huntley Racing has allways done you should really leave this topic to those who can speak from experience.

So, lets wait and see about the:
"SC#3 will race at the California Speedway against the 'Big boys'" ...SFR will be there to watch
and the "HR-SC-968s will be at the Nurburgring 12 hour enduro next month"....that should be great :-)Huntley still has not said the model number number of the blower on the red car he SC'd,

&gt;&gt;&gt;What do want? A model number? All HR kits use the EATON M90. What does that matter to you? If anyone wants ANY details about these kits they can ask.

what about the model number and year of blower on his test 944S2?

&gt;&gt;&gt;As above EATON M90.

How about any customers by name that have the kit? What model and year are their blowers..can we get a list of customers?

&gt;&gt;&gt;How about you worry about your customers and I will worry about mine. I dont give out personal info about my customers. We will be posting testamonials and photos when we have the time.

SFR will show our list. Infact...I'll post the list with emails, and hopefully tele numbers for all to see our customer base on the SC kits. We have nothing to hide, and we don't sell vapor.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Hope you get permition first. We don't sell vapor either but if there is enough interest, maybey.

Just the facts maam.

&gt;&gt;&gt;Your definition of facts is interesting perhapts you need to use a more accurate word like BS.

IanM

How many times do we have to subjected to the same crap? I personally feel pretty neutral about both SFR and HR. John Anderson has always been very helpful and friendly on the phone, and he and Tim obviously know a lot about our cars.
Derrek has also been helpful on the phone, and I've spent several thousand dollars at HR for my turbo, MAF, gauges, controllers, wastegate, i/c pipes, etc. I haven't always been entirely happy with HR. Delivery generally seems slow, and I had to get the i/c pipes customized to make them fit. However, I am extremely happy with the results, as my car recently put down 325rwhp at 18psi of boost, and I'm sure I could have hit 340rwhp if I'd cranked it up to 20psi.

What I do have a problem with is the constant bickering between SFR and HR on several threads I come across on this board. My personal impression from reading these various posts is that John has a serious vendetta against Derrek, and tries to do anything he can to undermine HR's business. He frequently shares all sorts of proprietary details regarding where HR sources many of their products, in an effort to convince others to buy the same products directly from the source. I think that's a highly immoral thing to do. I certainly don't think that HR is free of blame either, but I'm just getting really sick of this crap. Why don't you guys try to act like adults? I know you used to be colleagues, and now you're competitors, so I understand that there's some friction going on. Just try to remember that we're all intelligent people reading this, and we understand very well what's going on. You're both making yourselves look somewhat unprofessional here.

Huntley Racing

I respectfully deny the pleasure of a rebuttle.

Dan968

I guess I'm confused - what does any of this have to do with supercharging a 968? I haven't seen or heard of any dyno results from either company on a 3.0 968 engine. Until then, isn't this discussion better suited to the 944 & 944S2 forum?
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Tom Pultz

[quote]Originally posted by TurboTim:
I know that John has done his fair share of instigating but so has Derrek.I never once seen you jump up and attack Derrek like you do with John or myself.<hr></blockquote>I have yet to see Derrek actually START an attack, only try to defend himself. It's always coming from Speed Force Racing, and usually from John. For instance, John made a big stink recently on the email lists about Derrek showing pictures of John's engine on his website. John says it wasn't a HR engine. That's BS of course, because it was put together at HR while John worked for Derrek.

But John's not the only one who likes to assail Derrek. I think you did a good job yourself this time. I mean, what the hell business is it of yours who Derrek has working for him? It's none of your concern. All you guys are doing by perpetuating these pissing matches is show how unprofessional you all are. You should stand on your own merrits and not give one iota of concern what Derrek and HR are doing. I have to give Derrek some credit, he's shown a lot of restraint lately. It's too bad you can't do the same.
[quote]As far as our S2 kit goes.We have now hit over the 280 horsepower at the wheels mark at 6 psi.It can support over 825 @ the wheels at 29 psi(not 40+ psi of boost like you stated) on a properly set-up car.<hr></blockquote>Are you saying a 944 S2 with your supercharger kit can make 825 HP?

My 40+ psi boost remark was based on flowing 1200 cfm of air into a 944S2 (the capacity of your supercharger). With that amount of air the boost pressure is going to be well over 40 psi,and actually closer to 50 or more.

This is my last post on this subject... time to move on. I suggest everyone else do the same.

Now, does anyone actually have a 968 kit

Luke

[quote]Originally posted by TurboTim:
<strong>Derrek,


.We actually recently rebuilt one of Derreks monstrosities that was burned up in a fire to cover up the fact that the engine was blown-up on the dyno! ...........The cut off switch was dangling from the hood and wrapped with duct tape. It has a tranny cooler that hung 3" off the ground.It was missing bolts and hardware, sheetmetal was cut out with a sawz-all. </strong><hr></blockquote>