View Poll Results: would you like to see the 993 and 997 style hybrid body panels (page 12, 13) copied ?
yes, would like to see lightweight copies sold by GT Racing or other vendor.
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sounds cool, but not interested in doing this type of update.
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a few upgrades for the 968....
06-28-2012, 04:45 PM
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Starting to get there! The last photo really shows off the hard work. Cannot wait to see the headlamps and everything installed. Keep the photo's coming. . .
06-28-2012, 05:30 PM
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that's a very interesting 968.
yes, i'm down here on the Charles over by Dover, so we can meet and you can check out the work and post a review.
the base epoxy part of this project went well. the delay came with the finishing resin (evercoat) it took longer basically, because i suck. the first try didn't come out bad, but upon closer inspection, the result didn't turn out quite right... second try produced two very nice, but slightly different shaped fenders that couldn't be fixed. third try was to create a more eye pleasing curve. despite that this had been done before, those fenders can not seat the 993 xenon lamps at the proper angle... but, it appears the more upright interpretation of the 993 lamps works ok.... my point was that if Porsche could do the flagship 911s right (starting wtih the 911 in 1993), and there's virtual unanimous opinion that they did, then it seems not too far off to suggest the 968 just missed getting them too.
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yes, i'm down here on the Charles over by Dover, so we can meet and you can check out the work and post a review.
the base epoxy part of this project went well. the delay came with the finishing resin (evercoat) it took longer basically, because i suck. the first try didn't come out bad, but upon closer inspection, the result didn't turn out quite right... second try produced two very nice, but slightly different shaped fenders that couldn't be fixed. third try was to create a more eye pleasing curve. despite that this had been done before, those fenders can not seat the 993 xenon lamps at the proper angle... but, it appears the more upright interpretation of the 993 lamps works ok.... my point was that if Porsche could do the flagship 911s right (starting wtih the 911 in 1993), and there's virtual unanimous opinion that they did, then it seems not too far off to suggest the 968 just missed getting them too.
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06-28-2012, 10:08 PM
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As for meeting up - not sure if you venture into the New England section here on Rennlist, but they're having a Cars N Coffee event this Sunday down in Taunton. I'm planning to be there - you should swing down too!
Here's the thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/new-engl...nton-ma-2.html
07-03-2012, 12:00 PM
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need to do just a bit of front end/nose preening before the car goes in - in a couple of days.
if any of you guys are bored, anyone seen the latest kit car exotics ?
and NO; these ain't your daddy's kit cars.
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-fab-race.html
if any of you guys are bored, anyone seen the latest kit car exotics ?
and NO; these ain't your daddy's kit cars.
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-fab-race.html
07-03-2012, 02:26 PM
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need to do just a bit of front end/nose preening before the car goes in - in a couple of days.
if any of you guys are bored, anyone seen the latest kit car exotics ?
and NO; these ain't your daddy's kit cars.
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-fab-race.html
if any of you guys are bored, anyone seen the latest kit car exotics ?
and NO; these ain't your daddy's kit cars.
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-fab-race.html
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the car is now at the paint shop.
the 4 front panels (fenders, hood and front valance) are getting paint....
the rear section of the car will be done in a couple of weeks.....
but at least for now, you all will get a good look at the front of the car with the finished paint.
the color is quite nice, imo. i hope you all like it !
hopefully be able to post photos by next weekend.
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the 4 front panels (fenders, hood and front valance) are getting paint....
the rear section of the car will be done in a couple of weeks.....
but at least for now, you all will get a good look at the front of the car with the finished paint.
the color is quite nice, imo. i hope you all like it !
hopefully be able to post photos by next weekend.
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07-17-2012, 04:11 PM
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transmission update:
i ended up getting what i needed, killing two birds on the lsd install....
stock 968 ratios;
1st; 3.182 :1
2nd; 2.000 :1
3rd; 1.435 :1
4th; 1.111 :1
5th; 0.912 :1
6th. 0.778 :1
final ratio 3.778 w/ open diff.
and w/ the new gears for the V8;
1st; 3.182 :1
2nd; 2.000 :1
3rd; 1.230 :1
4th; 0.930: 1
5th; 0.729 :1
6th. 0.600 :1
final ratio 3.778 w/ limited slip diff.
numbers; flat out, spirited and economy driving running the 25.6" tire.
notice the short ratio 1st and 2nd gears, but smooth transitions from 2nd to 6th running the new stuff.
ratio ........ speed @ 6000 rpm ........ speed @ 4500 rpm ........ speed @ 3000 rpm ........ increase (mph) from previous gear @ 3000 rpm
.600 .................. 194.4 ........................... 146.0 ........................... 97.2 ............................ 17.2
.729 .................. 160.0 ........................... 120.0 ........................... 80.0 ............................ 17.3
.930 .................. 125.4 ............................ 94.1 ............................ 62.7 ............................ 15.3
1.230 ................. 94.8 ............................. 71.1 ............................ 47.4 ............................ 18.3
2.000 ................. 58.3 ............................. 43.7 ............................ 29.1 ............................ 10.8
3.182 ................. 36.7 ............................. 27.5 ............................ 18.3 .....................................................
and the oem transmission w/ very short gear shift points;
ratio ........ speed @ 6000 rpm ........ speed @ 4500 rpm ........ speed @ 3000 rpm ........ increase (mph) from previous gear @ 3000 rpm
0.778 .................. 149.9 ........................... 112.4 ........................... 74.9 ............................ 11.0
0.912 .................. 127.9 ............................ 95.9 ............................ 63.9 ............................ 7.8
1.111 .................. 112.2 ............................ 84.1 ............................ 56.1 ............................ 15.5
1.435 ................... 81.3 ............................. 61.0 ............................ 40.6 ............................ 14.0
2.000 ................... 58.3 ............................. 43.7 ............................ 29.1 ............................ 10.8
3.182 ................... 36.7 ............................. 27.5 ............................ 18.3 .....................................................
old post updated;
i recently had my 5th and 6th gears in my spare box changed to faster gears, and i was readying to have the LSD installed.... but just before going ahead, i thought i'd give Scott Dewitt (Advanced Automotion) a call and make 100% sure that nothing can be done about the sizable gap i had between 4th and 5th on my LSx swap transmission... but of course, Scott's solved it... recently finding .880 and .930 Audi gears to run in the 4th gear slot.... either gear eliminates the problem of the not-friendly short 1.111 4th gear.
next,
which gear to select ?
the .880 4th gear would make 133 mph at 6,000 rpm (25.6 inch tire).... but on the secondary roads (and lower highway speeds) the rpms would be running a bit lower than ideal if attempting to launch; thus making the .920 gear the better option; the .920 will make about 122 mph at 6,000 rpm with the car near peak torque once switching to 5th..... the .729 5th will make 160 mph at 6,000 and the .600 6th gear will make 195 mph/6,000 rpm....
but, the fun doesn't stop there;
Scott has a 1.23 3rd gear to eliminate the stock 1.45.... so you're left with just having to deal with shorter 1st and 2nd gears. but, it's easy to see from the table that the rest of the way, the transmission is able to take full advantage of the torque and hp of the LS V8.
D.D..: "For a small price, I can install this little blue button to get you down...."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MMkiq8Kxis
i ended up getting what i needed, killing two birds on the lsd install....
stock 968 ratios;
1st; 3.182 :1
2nd; 2.000 :1
3rd; 1.435 :1
4th; 1.111 :1
5th; 0.912 :1
6th. 0.778 :1
final ratio 3.778 w/ open diff.
and w/ the new gears for the V8;
1st; 3.182 :1
2nd; 2.000 :1
3rd; 1.230 :1
4th; 0.930: 1
5th; 0.729 :1
6th. 0.600 :1
final ratio 3.778 w/ limited slip diff.
numbers; flat out, spirited and economy driving running the 25.6" tire.
notice the short ratio 1st and 2nd gears, but smooth transitions from 2nd to 6th running the new stuff.
ratio ........ speed @ 6000 rpm ........ speed @ 4500 rpm ........ speed @ 3000 rpm ........ increase (mph) from previous gear @ 3000 rpm
.600 .................. 194.4 ........................... 146.0 ........................... 97.2 ............................ 17.2
.729 .................. 160.0 ........................... 120.0 ........................... 80.0 ............................ 17.3
.930 .................. 125.4 ............................ 94.1 ............................ 62.7 ............................ 15.3
1.230 ................. 94.8 ............................. 71.1 ............................ 47.4 ............................ 18.3
2.000 ................. 58.3 ............................. 43.7 ............................ 29.1 ............................ 10.8
3.182 ................. 36.7 ............................. 27.5 ............................ 18.3 .....................................................
and the oem transmission w/ very short gear shift points;
ratio ........ speed @ 6000 rpm ........ speed @ 4500 rpm ........ speed @ 3000 rpm ........ increase (mph) from previous gear @ 3000 rpm
0.778 .................. 149.9 ........................... 112.4 ........................... 74.9 ............................ 11.0
0.912 .................. 127.9 ............................ 95.9 ............................ 63.9 ............................ 7.8
1.111 .................. 112.2 ............................ 84.1 ............................ 56.1 ............................ 15.5
1.435 ................... 81.3 ............................. 61.0 ............................ 40.6 ............................ 14.0
2.000 ................... 58.3 ............................. 43.7 ............................ 29.1 ............................ 10.8
3.182 ................... 36.7 ............................. 27.5 ............................ 18.3 .....................................................
old post updated;
i recently had my 5th and 6th gears in my spare box changed to faster gears, and i was readying to have the LSD installed.... but just before going ahead, i thought i'd give Scott Dewitt (Advanced Automotion) a call and make 100% sure that nothing can be done about the sizable gap i had between 4th and 5th on my LSx swap transmission... but of course, Scott's solved it... recently finding .880 and .930 Audi gears to run in the 4th gear slot.... either gear eliminates the problem of the not-friendly short 1.111 4th gear.
next,
which gear to select ?
the .880 4th gear would make 133 mph at 6,000 rpm (25.6 inch tire).... but on the secondary roads (and lower highway speeds) the rpms would be running a bit lower than ideal if attempting to launch; thus making the .920 gear the better option; the .920 will make about 122 mph at 6,000 rpm with the car near peak torque once switching to 5th..... the .729 5th will make 160 mph at 6,000 and the .600 6th gear will make 195 mph/6,000 rpm....
but, the fun doesn't stop there;
Scott has a 1.23 3rd gear to eliminate the stock 1.45.... so you're left with just having to deal with shorter 1st and 2nd gears. but, it's easy to see from the table that the rest of the way, the transmission is able to take full advantage of the torque and hp of the LS V8.
D.D..: "For a small price, I can install this little blue button to get you down...."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MMkiq8Kxis
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transmission update:
i ended up getting what i needed, killing two birds on the lsd install....
stock 968 ratios;
1st; 3.182 :1
2nd; 2.000 :1
3rd; 1.435 :1
4th; 1.111 :1
5th; 0.912 :1
6th. 0.778 :1
final ratio 3.778 w/ open diff.
and w/ the new gears for the V8;
1st; 3.182 :1
2nd; 2.000 :1
3rd; 1.230 :1
4th; 0.930: 1
5th; 0.729 :1
6th. 0.600 :1
final ratio 3.778 w/ limited slip diff.
numbers; flat out, spirited and economy driving running the 25.6" tire.
notice the short ratio 1st and 2nd gears, but smooth transitions from 2nd to 6th running the new stuff.
ratio ........ speed @ 6000 rpm ........ speed @ 4500 rpm ........ speed @ 3000 rpm ........ increase (mph) from previous gear @ 3000 rpm
.600 .................. 194.4 ........................... 146.0 ........................... 97.2 ............................ 17.2
.729 .................. 160.0 ........................... 120.0 ........................... 80.0 ............................ 17.3
.930 .................. 125.4 ............................ 94.1 ............................ 62.7 ............................ 15.3
1.230 ................. 94.8 ............................. 71.1 ............................ 47.4 ............................ 18.3
2.000 ................. 58.3 ............................. 43.7 ............................ 29.1 ............................ 10.8
3.182 ................. 36.7 ............................. 27.5 ............................ 18.3 .....................................................
and the oem transmission w/ very short gear shift points;
ratio ........ speed @ 6000 rpm ........ speed @ 4500 rpm ........ speed @ 3000 rpm ........ increase (mph) from previous gear @ 3000 rpm
0.778 .................. 149.9 ........................... 112.4 ........................... 74.9 ............................ 11.0
0.912 .................. 127.9 ............................ 95.9 ............................ 63.9 ............................ 7.8
1.111 .................. 112.2 ............................ 84.1 ............................ 56.1 ............................ 15.5
1.435 ................... 81.3 ............................. 61.0 ............................ 40.6 ............................ 14.0
2.000 ................... 58.3 ............................. 43.7 ............................ 29.1 ............................ 10.8
3.182 ................... 36.7 ............................. 27.5 ............................ 18.3 .....................................................
old post updated;
i recently had my 5th and 6th gears in my spare box changed to faster gears, and i was readying to have the LSD installed.... but just before going ahead, i thought i'd give Scott Dewitt (Advanced Automotion) a call and make 100% sure that nothing can be done about the sizable gap i had between 4th and 5th on my LSx swap transmission... but of course, Scott's solved it... recently finding .880 and .930 Audi gears to run in the 4th gear slot.... either gear eliminates the problem of the not-friendly short 1.111 4th gear.
next,
which gear to select ?
the .880 4th gear would make 133 mph at 6,000 rpm (25.6 inch tire).... but on the secondary roads (and lower highway speeds) the rpms would be running a bit lower than ideal if attempting to launch; thus making the .920 gear the better option; the .920 will make about 122 mph at 6,000 rpm with the car near peak torque once switching to 5th..... the .729 5th will make 160 mph at 6,000 and the .600 6th gear will make 195 mph/6,000 rpm....
but, the fun doesn't stop there;
Scott has a 1.23 3rd gear to eliminate the stock 1.45.... so you're left with just having to deal with shorter 1st and 2nd gears. but, it's easy to see from the table that the rest of the way, the transmission is able to take full advantage of the torque and hp of the LS V8.
Have you actually fitted these gears to the trans? i have heard from other sources recently that these dont fit at all..........
Jpr
i ended up getting what i needed, killing two birds on the lsd install....
stock 968 ratios;
1st; 3.182 :1
2nd; 2.000 :1
3rd; 1.435 :1
4th; 1.111 :1
5th; 0.912 :1
6th. 0.778 :1
final ratio 3.778 w/ open diff.
and w/ the new gears for the V8;
1st; 3.182 :1
2nd; 2.000 :1
3rd; 1.230 :1
4th; 0.930: 1
5th; 0.729 :1
6th. 0.600 :1
final ratio 3.778 w/ limited slip diff.
numbers; flat out, spirited and economy driving running the 25.6" tire.
notice the short ratio 1st and 2nd gears, but smooth transitions from 2nd to 6th running the new stuff.
ratio ........ speed @ 6000 rpm ........ speed @ 4500 rpm ........ speed @ 3000 rpm ........ increase (mph) from previous gear @ 3000 rpm
.600 .................. 194.4 ........................... 146.0 ........................... 97.2 ............................ 17.2
.729 .................. 160.0 ........................... 120.0 ........................... 80.0 ............................ 17.3
.930 .................. 125.4 ............................ 94.1 ............................ 62.7 ............................ 15.3
1.230 ................. 94.8 ............................. 71.1 ............................ 47.4 ............................ 18.3
2.000 ................. 58.3 ............................. 43.7 ............................ 29.1 ............................ 10.8
3.182 ................. 36.7 ............................. 27.5 ............................ 18.3 .....................................................
and the oem transmission w/ very short gear shift points;
ratio ........ speed @ 6000 rpm ........ speed @ 4500 rpm ........ speed @ 3000 rpm ........ increase (mph) from previous gear @ 3000 rpm
0.778 .................. 149.9 ........................... 112.4 ........................... 74.9 ............................ 11.0
0.912 .................. 127.9 ............................ 95.9 ............................ 63.9 ............................ 7.8
1.111 .................. 112.2 ............................ 84.1 ............................ 56.1 ............................ 15.5
1.435 ................... 81.3 ............................. 61.0 ............................ 40.6 ............................ 14.0
2.000 ................... 58.3 ............................. 43.7 ............................ 29.1 ............................ 10.8
3.182 ................... 36.7 ............................. 27.5 ............................ 18.3 .....................................................
old post updated;
i recently had my 5th and 6th gears in my spare box changed to faster gears, and i was readying to have the LSD installed.... but just before going ahead, i thought i'd give Scott Dewitt (Advanced Automotion) a call and make 100% sure that nothing can be done about the sizable gap i had between 4th and 5th on my LSx swap transmission... but of course, Scott's solved it... recently finding .880 and .930 Audi gears to run in the 4th gear slot.... either gear eliminates the problem of the not-friendly short 1.111 4th gear.
next,
which gear to select ?
the .880 4th gear would make 133 mph at 6,000 rpm (25.6 inch tire).... but on the secondary roads (and lower highway speeds) the rpms would be running a bit lower than ideal if attempting to launch; thus making the .920 gear the better option; the .920 will make about 122 mph at 6,000 rpm with the car near peak torque once switching to 5th..... the .729 5th will make 160 mph at 6,000 and the .600 6th gear will make 195 mph/6,000 rpm....
but, the fun doesn't stop there;
Scott has a 1.23 3rd gear to eliminate the stock 1.45.... so you're left with just having to deal with shorter 1st and 2nd gears. but, it's easy to see from the table that the rest of the way, the transmission is able to take full advantage of the torque and hp of the LS V8.
Have you actually fitted these gears to the trans? i have heard from other sources recently that these dont fit at all..........
Jpr
07-24-2012, 01:21 PM
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yes,
done. all the gears fom the euro 2wd A4 diesels w/ 01e FPN FRL w/ 31/8 (3.875) R&P
are interchangable with the 968 box as long as the gear #s match.
4th with 4th, 5th with 5th, etc....
3.50 1.89 1.23 1.07 0.73 0.60
3.75 2.05 1.23 0.93 0.73 0.60
3.50 1.89 1.32 0.87 0.67 0.56
how many other parts from the euro diesel boxes are a straight swap ? i don't exactly know. but all the gears (from the euro 2wd diesel transmission) work fine. the gears from all the other 4wd boxes do not.... you all might also be interested to know that after Keven had the transmission completely taken apart, and despite having low miles, he discovered a bunch of very worn parts near the end of their life span.... so, (since we were already in there, and he couldn't test each part thoroughly for cracking), he ended up doing a full rebuild. a bunch of stuff was replaced.
the cost for the project including purchase of the box, gears, lsd and full rebuild was $7,850.
Keven is on vacation for 2 weeks. but when he gets back i'll be heading over to his shop to pick up the box. i'll ask him if there were any clearance issues with the gears. i'll also have a nice pile of all the parts that came out, as he is extremely meticulous. so, i'll take a photo of all the worn out stuff and original gears.
hope this helps.
od.
done. all the gears fom the euro 2wd A4 diesels w/ 01e FPN FRL w/ 31/8 (3.875) R&P
are interchangable with the 968 box as long as the gear #s match.
4th with 4th, 5th with 5th, etc....
3.50 1.89 1.23 1.07 0.73 0.60
3.75 2.05 1.23 0.93 0.73 0.60
3.50 1.89 1.32 0.87 0.67 0.56
how many other parts from the euro diesel boxes are a straight swap ? i don't exactly know. but all the gears (from the euro 2wd diesel transmission) work fine. the gears from all the other 4wd boxes do not.... you all might also be interested to know that after Keven had the transmission completely taken apart, and despite having low miles, he discovered a bunch of very worn parts near the end of their life span.... so, (since we were already in there, and he couldn't test each part thoroughly for cracking), he ended up doing a full rebuild. a bunch of stuff was replaced.
the cost for the project including purchase of the box, gears, lsd and full rebuild was $7,850.
Keven is on vacation for 2 weeks. but when he gets back i'll be heading over to his shop to pick up the box. i'll ask him if there were any clearance issues with the gears. i'll also have a nice pile of all the parts that came out, as he is extremely meticulous. so, i'll take a photo of all the worn out stuff and original gears.
hope this helps.
od.
