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Old 09-07-2016, 05:11 PM
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The Speed Yellow 964 TS leichtbau sold for Euro 1.17 million

The Polar Silver 964 RS 3.8 Carrera sold for Euro 861,000

The Riviera Blue 993 GT sold for Euro 2.2 Million

All prices rounded and including the 12% fee
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Old 09-26-2017, 02:30 PM
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Default 3.3 turbo s > 3.6 turbo s

If the 3.3 turbo S is a lightbody car or at least most of them are ( looks like 80 of 91 if not all,if I read correctly) what is the weight?
Is the 3.6 S any lighter than turbo?
What is the weight of the 3.6 Turbo S?
I've never read anything starting them Lighter.
From what is can see isn't the 3.3 turbo S
a better drivers car than 3.6.
what what are the approx value of these assuming everything else is equal?
Let's say they are both black on black 1 owner 30,000 miles. Also the 3.3 is light body.
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Originally Posted by 30 CSL View Post
The Speed Yellow 964 TS leichtbau sold for Euro 1.17 million

The Polar Silver 964 RS 3.8 Carrera sold for Euro 861,000

The Riviera Blue 993 GT sold for Euro 2.2 Million

All prices rounded and including the 12% fee
Still wondering if 3.3 turbo S is more desirable than 3.6 turbo s ?
lighter fast better handling? I'm assuming less hp.
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The Turbo S Leichtbau was conceived and built between Exclusive and Motorsport. It is much closer in spirit to the RS/GT cars that came before it.

The 3.6 Turbo S is purely a marketing product of Exclusive, more like the 993 Turbo S.

The Leichtbau is a much more enjoyable car to drive - the significant weight reduction more than offsets the improvements the next-generation engine.
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Old 09-26-2017, 04:46 PM
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TSL vehicle specs are here

http://turbosleichtbau.com/wp-conten...-Tech-Spec.pdf

92 TS 1510 KG Max Gross Weight - 280 kW (381HP)
94 TS 1810 KG Max Gross Weight - 283 kW (385HP)
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Old 12-08-2017, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Flachbau View Post
TSL vehicle specs are here

http://turbosleichtbau.com/wp-conten...-Tech-Spec.pdf

92 TS 1510 KG Max Gross Weight - 280 kW (381HP)
94 TS 1810 KG Max Gross Weight - 283 kW (385HP)
381 hp. ‘91
385 hp. ‘94
what do you believe the Real numbers are?
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Old 12-08-2017, 02:22 PM
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Default 964 3.8 RSR TURBO

To me the Ultimate 911 would be a homogulation of the ‘91 Turbo s and the 3.8 RSR
Exterior RSR with side X99 option
3.8 RSR engine with Turbo S turbo and intercooler.
Anyone seen this tried?
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My track car is a 3.8RS tribute. I don't think I would mix the turbo S parts with the 3.8RS tail. One or the other for me. Although my track build is twin turbo and has a much more linear power band to the turbo or turbo S's. It weighs about 2700 pounds or 1224 kg, narrow rear suspension and puts down 335 RWHP and 335 RWTQ on a mustang dyno so at 18 % power loss roughly 410bhp. It is by far more fun to drive on track than the early turbo cars and IMO handles better. I am still in the shaking out phase of the build but no doubt will be building speed next year.

If they offered the 92 turbo S in the US I would have picked up one vs my 3.6T which is still a great car. The turbo S 3.6 is nice but nothing a simple mod, power wise to easily match performance so it is a preference and limited quantity thing.
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Originally Posted by There's no Sub! View Post

381 hp. ‘91
385 hp. ‘94
what do you believe the Real numbers are?
I believe those are the real 'bench' numbers. I have several 94 Turbo S dyno sheets and they are all around 385HP at the crank depending upon what drive train loss factor you want to apply (say 12%). Early journo reports for the 94 Turbo S guesstimating it was really 500hp are nonsense - seat of the pants may feel like that due to its power delivery, but its not.
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Cobalt you are a great help. As I understand it. the RSR has 350 hp. So in theory it should be fairly easy to get 450 with a mild turbo setup and a wide power band. I prefer the turbo s wing except on the flatbaue the RSR has a better stance and the wide deepdishes in back. Any idea what some Rsr oem 3.6 deep dishes are if you could find them? I just saw the undriven Rsr with dust on it break a record. I wonder if special wishes could have added X88 to an Rsr.Your track Car sounds incredible.if you’re running sequencals at what rpm does each hit?and what is your RL?
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My track car is a 3.8RS tribute. I don't think I would mix the turbo S parts with the 3.8RS tail. One or the other for me. Although my track build is twin turbo and has a much more linear power band to the turbo or turbo S's. It weighs about 2700 pounds or 1224 kg, narrow rear suspension and puts down 335 RWHP and 335 RWTQ on a mustang dyno so at 18 % power loss roughly 410bhp. It is by far more fun to drive on track than the early turbo cars and IMO handles better. I am still in the shaking out phase of the build but no doubt will be building speed next year.

If they offered the 92 turbo S in the US I would have picked up one vs my 3.6T which is still a great car. The turbo S 3.6 is nice but nothing a simple mod, power wise to easily match performance so it is a preference and limited quantity thing.
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The 3.3 ts appears to be significantly better than the 3.6s do buyers know this the standard 3.6 is about twice as expensive as 3.3 but if the cars were equal in mileage and quality does the 3.3 cost more?
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My track car is a 3.8RS tribute. I don't think I would mix the turbo S parts with the 3.8RS tail. One or the other for me. Although my track build is twin turbo and has a much more linear power band to the turbo or turbo S's. It weighs about 2700 pounds or 1224 kg, narrow rear suspension and puts down 335 RWHP and 335 RWTQ on a mustang dyno so at 18 % power loss roughly 410bhp. It is by far more fun to drive on track than the early turbo cars and IMO handles better. I am still in the shaking out phase of the build but no doubt will be building speed next year.

If they offered the 92 turbo S in the US I would have picked up one vs my 3.6T which is still a great car. The turbo S 3.6 is nice but nothing a simple mod, power wise to easily match performance so it is a preference and limited quantity thing.
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Originally Posted by There's no Sub! View Post
The 3.3 ts appears to be significantly better than the 3.6s do buyers know this the standard 3.6 is about twice as expensive as 3.3 but if the cars were equal in mileage and quality does the 3.3 cost more?

The 3.3TS v the 3.6TS is a very different discussion than the 3.3T v the 3.6T.
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Originally Posted by There's no Sub! View Post
Cobalt you are a great help. As I understand it. the RSR has 350 hp. So in theory it should be fairly easy to get 450 with a mild turbo setup and a wide power band. I prefer the turbo s wing except on the flatbaue the RSR has a better stance and the wide deepdishes in back. Any idea what some Rsr oem 3.6 deep dishes are if you could find them? I just saw the undriven Rsr with dust on it break a record. I wonder if special wishes could have added X88 to an Rsr.Your track Car sounds incredible.if you’re running sequencals at what rpm does each hit?and what is your RL?
I will be reworking my track build this winter. Doing a stand alone ECU and making a bunch of changes. It is easy safe power and is incredibly fast. Although these cars are harder to drive fast than the new GT3RS's I have no doubt once I learn to get the power down earlier they will be an easy target.

I was lucky enough to pick up a set of 964 3.8RSR speedlines. The RS/RSR with center locks came with 9 1/2" front wheels and 11 rears, vs 9" fronts. These are a different offset than the 9.5" rears used on the ROW cup cars and are quite rare. The ROW cup car was 9.5 ET 48 and these are 9 1/2" ET 57. Heavy as can be and i only use them for car shows. I one day hope to build a 3.8 RS clone for the street and use them.


I have no idea what they are worth but no doubt to the right person a small fortune. You won't find too many sets of these and what my research shows me is the fonts did not cary their own part number but used centers from other Speedlines. Mine are original dated 1993 and are a matched set so I have no doubt they have never been split.
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here is No 0079 for you Mark - send P.M. if you need or want other informations

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hello my father was the first owner of the 0079 turbos ... now we are restoring the 00080 do you have the 79 ?? I would like to have photos of the inside of the back where there is wiring and control unit do not remember the exact passage ... Google Traduttore https://translate.google.it › ... Il servizio gratuito di Google traduce all'istante parole, frasi e pagine web tra l'italiano e più di 100 altre lingue. Google Translate - Google translate - Dizionario inglese-italiano
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hello my father was the first owner of the 0079 turbos ... now we are restoring the 00080 do you have the 79 ?? I would like to have photos of the inside of the back where there is wiring and control unit do not remember the exact passage ... Google Traduttore https://translate.google.it › ... Il servizio gratuito di Google traduce all'istante parole, frasi e pagine web tra l'italiano e più di 100 altre lingue. Google Translate - Google translate - Dizionario inglese-italiano
Fabio per favore contattami via e-mail flachbau @ comcast.net ... Mark
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