Let's talk track pads
 

Seems like all the informative threads on track pads for the 964 are a decade old so I want to get some fresh inputs on what people are running: Pagid, PFC, Hawk, Carbotech, etc?

Also, what's the consensus for staggering the compound front to back - does it help balance things or should I run the same compound at all 4 corners?

Thanks!

I have been running Pagid RS29 for a few years now, great pads, easy on rotors and seem to last a long time. I was previously running Pagid Blacks, these are much more aggressive than the RS29's and really hard on rotors.

I like the feel of the Blacks over the yellows as I prefer the higher initial bit.

In recent times I have also driven cars with Endless PAds, the ME20 which is a street/Track pad, has very similar characteristics to the Pagid Yellows, less bite overall.. I have also tried the Endless N35S, which sits right between the Pagid Blacks and Yellows, these are probably the best pads I have driven on, great initial bite, smooth release for modulation, easy on rotors and also last along time.

I would be running them but the last time I needed pads I couldn't get any so settled for the Yellows.

AS for bias. Not sure on the 964, hopefully Bill V will chime in on that one. However for all the brake systems I have had on my car (Stock, 993 RS and Stoptech) I have used the same compound front and rear, the car has never done anything in any combination that had me thinking I needed to adjust the bias with pads.

+1 fir Pagid 29

A friend of mine recently switched from 20 to PFC11, he seems to like them too.

964 is almost always to front biased, Cobalt and I think S4magman are the only ones I can think of that dealt w/ that properly, yellow front and black rear seems to work well enough for most 964 guys

I'm a big fan of the Race Technologies Pads, currently run RE10
These are endurance race pads that bite well and last a LONG time, are very easy on the equipment too (rotors and calipers) for heat management.
I've run PFC08 and found they were very hard on the rotors.

I do like the Pagid RS29 and use them all around. Personally I like them better than PFC.

Thanks for the input guys. Seems like the only downfall of the RS29 is the price.

6 different Pagid race compounds available in the 1203 pad shape but RS29 is still the most popular for this application.

http://www.paragon-products.com/Pagi...1203-pagid.htm

I went ahead and bought the Pagid RS29 pads for all 4 corners. That combo should pair nicely with the Nitto NT01s that are getting mounted next week.

Just as a note, if you get brake pad buildup on the rotors and they start vibrating, Hawk blues are great at cleaning up the rotors. Run a couple of sessions with Hawk blues and the vibrations will be gone. I never get any buildup these days because I've learned to properly break the pads and rotors in but used to keep a set of blues in the trailer just in case.

Thanks for the heads up. I've bedded pads in the past with good success, so hopefully that won't be an issue. What rotors do you run? I've been thinking about doing the stop-tech slotted but haven't seen many reviews on them.

I use the Pagid yellows 29 front and the Pagid black for the rear.
like the effect

Thanks for the info, I'll give the yellow 29s all around a shot then maybe try the blacks on the rear if the braking isn't balanced enough.

Also I see you have a 1990, I assume you swapped the stock 2 piston rear calipers with the 4 pistons? When you did that did you have to change any proportioning valve or anything like that? The previous owner swapped the rear calipers on mine so I'm not sure what else was involved with the change and want to make sure it was done right.

Thanks.

One more question. I wanted to get an extra set of rotors, what are you guys using with the Pagid RS29s? Seems like stop-tech makes a nice slotted and blank disc that you can get cryo treated or not. Anyone have opinions there?

Is that mainly for C2 or also for C4? Regardless of what pads, running the same pads all around seems to make my C4 almost equal front to back. Was looking for a little more aggressive pads on the front to shift the bias forward a bit but thought maybe it's just in my head.

C2 & C4 use the same 4/4 small Brembos and will have the same brake bias, which is ~1.734 below 55bar line pressure and ~3.310 above 55 bar.

the early C2 w/ 4/2 Brembos have ~1.508 below 45bar line pressure and ~2.793 above 45bar

w/ RS brakes bias is ~1.713/3.171 w/ a 55 bar knee

w/ 993RS front and 30/34 RS/993 rears it is ~1.659/3.072 w/ 55 bar knee

for normal street use this is all fine, for track use you want to move as much bias to the rear as you can. In practice this works out to ~1.49 or so, on a 964 this means remove the p/v and possibly use different pads in back. There is certainly no good reason to want more front.

993RS/Cup is 1.426/2.64 w/ a 40 bar knee

911 '69-83 is 1.491