My 911design 1 of 1 "a proper 964"
#91
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^ i already sold one kidney for the few RS's in the warehouse. so now it's the kids... or may be sell their kidney.... i am hopeless.
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He didn't post the price (unless it's a chort?)
I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a pass. Every thread seems to talk about money now. It's all BS.
I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a pass. Every thread seems to talk about money now. It's all BS.
#94
Trashing a seller on his "asking" price has become all too common and out of had; regardless if the price is posted not. How a rennlistt's classified section become an editorial on values is ludicrous. Pelican parts has it right - no comments allowed in the classified section. Should be the same here.
#95
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Originally Posted by Big Al HURT123
Trashing a seller on his "asking" price has become all too common and out of had; regardless if the price is posted not. How a rennlistt's classified section become an editorial on values is ludicrous. Pelican parts has it right - no comments allowed in the classified section. Should be the same here.
#96
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Hey it's a discussion forum not the for sale section. Can't tell me the seller would not expect discussion on his price. In the end if he gets his price or even close to it, it's great for everyone...even at half his ask..it's still great for everyone.
Now the whole "Singer cost too much money" discussions are getting past their time. I'm not trying to advocate for Singer but let's break it down a bit.
A full custom rebuild on any of our engines NA or Turbo will run you from 40k to about $65k or more. Keep in mind Singer uses top builders who must prove every engine to said horsepower.
Now go find an outfit to custom make you carbon fiber body parts to your specs. Set up, machining and mold will probably cost you a fortune. For example Ruf charges over $2500 for a rear fiberglass bumper.
So let's include the wheels, harness, suspension,interior, custom made machine parts..etc..etc
When you add all that up plus the the hours involved, by some of the best in the business(who probably charge a boatload per hour) the price of the Singer may not be as crazy as some make it sound.
Along with some of you, I think the price is nuts but after seeing some restorations and having some work done on my own car, I can certainly see why the cost is so high.
For comparison a full restoration on a 75 Turbo I know of will be over six figure by the time all is said and done. Nothing custom, just using all factory parts.
Now the whole "Singer cost too much money" discussions are getting past their time. I'm not trying to advocate for Singer but let's break it down a bit.
A full custom rebuild on any of our engines NA or Turbo will run you from 40k to about $65k or more. Keep in mind Singer uses top builders who must prove every engine to said horsepower.
Now go find an outfit to custom make you carbon fiber body parts to your specs. Set up, machining and mold will probably cost you a fortune. For example Ruf charges over $2500 for a rear fiberglass bumper.
So let's include the wheels, harness, suspension,interior, custom made machine parts..etc..etc
When you add all that up plus the the hours involved, by some of the best in the business(who probably charge a boatload per hour) the price of the Singer may not be as crazy as some make it sound.
Along with some of you, I think the price is nuts but after seeing some restorations and having some work done on my own car, I can certainly see why the cost is so high.
For comparison a full restoration on a 75 Turbo I know of will be over six figure by the time all is said and done. Nothing custom, just using all factory parts.
#97
Nordschleife Master
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Last edited by FormulaRX; 01-29-2016 at 03:26 PM.
#99
Just read it. What a poorly written and disappointing article. It gives NO credit to the extreme craftsmanship that went into building this car. I live right by 911 Designs and have seen this car in person on multiple occasions and even during the stages of it being built. The article portrays the car as being a regular 964 with a few mods done to it. That's far from the truth. They missed about 75% of what makes this car unique. They forgot to talk in detail about or even mention about: - Carbon fiber roof and rain gutter delete - how the car was converted from C4 to C2 using a 993 6 speed tranny and whether the car retained the c4 hydro brake system or went with regular vacuum based brake system - the integrated roll cage - how the car weighs only 2,600 lbs or so - detailed pics of the engine build including how much power it makes - pics of the interior - the fact that the car was stripped down to the bare chassis and built back bolt by bolt - fully functional cup car brake ducting The list goes on and on. Too many other things to list. The car is truly amazing but unfortunately this article does not give the car or the work put into it the credit it deserves.
#101
Burning Brakes
Pretty sure Singer bought it, stripped it of everything useful and tossed it into the boneyard with the rest of their shells. I heard they already have a $300,000 deposit on it with a projected completion date of Spring 2025.
But I could be wrong.
But I could be wrong.
#102
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It was for sale at a dealer awhile back, I suspect maybe it was traded in. I want to say Phillips Auto maybe?