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Personally, I see more resemblance to this cousin in the headlights and front fenders
I think I echo what the other 993 owners posted. Nothing bad to say about the 964. Great cars, would love to ad one one day. But if you want the last aircooled 911 you guys will also have to ad a 993
IMO the 993 shares more in common with the 968. These were the same headlights Porsche used on the 964 turbo S flachbau. The 928 headlights sit rather low and I hate to say it guys but the 928 is beginning to see a resurgence in popularity with clean low mileage GTS's selling for 6 figures and average cars selling in the $50's to $90's. If you look closely the headlights and shape of the bumper how it lines up with the hood are nearly identical including the size and shape of the fog lights. Interesting most of the firsts used on the 964 and 993 originated with either the 968 or 928. There are little claims we can make about our cars over these they actually had most upgrades first but were never recognized until they became part of the 911 line.
The 928 IMO undervalued cars and a great GT if not one of the best ever made. Completely different than a 911 in every way and there was a time all Porsche's may have gone in this direction.
BTW it is hard to find a picture of a 993 head on. This is a GT2 clone I believe but you get the picture
993 headlamps and fender design were a derivative of the 959.
Both the 964 and the 993 took the best that the 959 had to offer, with the 964 incorporating a variation of the 959's all-wheel-drive system and its coil-over suspension.
It's like the 70's 911's. No one wants a 'newer' 70's 911. 993's and 964's are the "modern" day AC 911's. People will want the older, more original of these 2 versions.
993 headlamps and fender design were a derivative of the 959.
Both the 964 and the 993 took the best that the 959 had to offer, with the 964 incorporating a variation of the 959's all-wheel-drive system and its coil-over suspension.
Now that you say It I have to agree. Although of all the 959's I have seen closeup the 993 never came to mind. Maybe it is the way the lines don't curve around the front like the 968 and 993 do.
You mean how they make 'newer' 1970s 911s? What are you even talking about? If plain-jane 993s were selling for chump change like 964s were ~5 years ago, then I'm certain Singer would've chosen the 993 platform instead.
Now that you say It I have to agree. Although of all the 959's I have seen closeup the 993 never came to mind. Maybe it is the way the lines don't curve around the front like the 968 and 993 do.
It's unfortunate that Porsche didn't introduce the new headlamp & fender design with the 1994 Flachbau. They didn't pull off the 968-headlamp integration very well. Woof.
It's unfortunate that Porsche didn't introduce the new headlamp & fender design with the 1994 Flachbau. They didn't pull off the 968-headlamp integration very well. Woof.
I think a lot of that had to do with the scrubbing of the 965 project which was intended to morph the 911 into a 959 look. The flachbau has never been a favorite but I do admit they look far better in person than they do in pictures and the rear wing IMO is the best single piece they ever used. I have seen most of the US ones up close red is my least favorite color with those headlights. In either case they are fetching on average $700k and some are asking as much as $925K.
I think a lot of that had to do with the scrubbing of the 965 project which was intended to morph the 911 into a 959 look.
Although even the 965 had the rounded fender line where it meets the bumper (like the 968) which was seen in the 993.
It seems odd that Special Wishes would go through the effort of manufacturing and incorporating a (IMO, unattractive) one-off fender design with flip-up headlamps. As the 993 was about to be released, I'd presume it must've been intentional so as not to steal the 993's thunder at its introduction. It's probably all documented someplace in one of Ludvigsen's books.
Singer chose 964's over 993 because they are better looking platforms. They are still currently choosing 964's over 993 (see recent twitter feed) and as their own personal vehicles.
I'm sure they can afford 993's so the price point discussion is irrelevant.
Although even the 965 had the rounded fender line where it meets the bumper (like the 968) which was seen in the 993.
It seems odd that Special Wishes would go through the effort of manufacturing and incorporating a (IMO, unattractive) one-off fender design with flip-up headlamps. As the 993 was about to be released, I'd presume it must've been intentional so as not to steal the 993's thunder at its introduction. It's probably all documented someplace in one of Ludvigsen's books.
It was intended to follow the slope nose 930 look. The Japanese turbo S's actually used the old 930 front fenders. It really isn't that bad I like it better than the 930 slope nose in person. Almost purchased one a few years back
I would venture to guess it was done based on typical Porsche approach to special wishes bin built cars.
Singer chose 964's over 993 because they are better looking platforms. They are still currently choosing 964's over 993 (see recent twitter feed) and as their own personal vehicles.
I'm sure they can afford 993's so the price point discussion is irrelevant.
Singer use the 964 for the headlight configuration. Apart from the 993 being more expensive to start with, the 964 make for an easier backdate which is what the singer is all about.
964 also has no imobilizer and no OBD stuff to deal with.
04-14-2015, 11:58 AM
I thought I was the only one!
