GTgears

I've taken the liberty of numbering your comments within the quote so it's clear what I am addressing. I hope you don't mind.

1. I would hope it does. I reiterate that I'm human and make mistakes sometimes. If I pretended to be perfect I would expect you to say Bulls

2.As a buyer I have. I've been that guy who asked a bunch of questions and then never followed up because I lost interest in the part. See #1.

3.As a seller I have. I shipped an order today that was placed last Thursday. Buyer wanted it shipped ground based on when the car was coming in. Based on where he is and how long shipping takes, I shipped it next day air and charged the customer ground shipping for the part based on when he placed the order. See #1.

4. Nope.

4a. Nope, see 4.

5.Going back to 2&3, yes, I've missed emails. I especially miss PMs through Rennlist, because you see, I'm not a vendor here. I hang out here before business, after business, and on my lunch break mostly.

6.Nope. And neither did Kai. Read Kai's response. It was pretty self deprecating with respect to Tony's position. What he got pissy about was the name calling of the peanut gallery.

7.I'm pretty sure I don't have anything to do with a glass house. I don't think it applies here. I apply the same standard to myself that I apply to everyone else.

8.I don't give a rat's **** what you think of me. I'm not here to give you some image. Take a close look at my profile, status and user history. I'm not a vendor here. I do own a manufacturing company. I do answer questions here that relate to my products and my specialty of Porsche gearboxes. But I'm not here selling anything. I've been a Porsche enthusiast all of my life. I know a lot about Porsches of all generations. I own a 914, a '67 912, an '86 Carrera, a 997Cup Car and 16 previous Porsches of various generations and models. And then I've been in the industry for over a dozen years. I post across many forums here.

9.Maybe I should call this 8a. I put in my time and passion for free too. You know why I'm a "user" and not a "member"? Because I started hanging out on web forums 20 years ago before Internet Brands existed and came into all the major car forums and commercialed them. Unless they tell me that I have to pay to post and participate I'm not going to pay their fee. Roger Penske is a large shareholed of IB. Does he really need the user's dollars and the advertising revenues? I absolutely hate the commercialization of the car culture. I give my advice, knowledge and input for FREE.50. And as long as they will allow me to give it without paying them an annual fee, I will continue to do so. When I, Matt Monson (you could find that out about me in about 30 seconds while 98% of car forum users hide behind an anonymous alias) post it's with good intention regarding the validity of the information and excitement about whatever we are talking about. I put in my time and passion for free and to suggest otherwise leads me to believe that you don't really know what you are talking about. I wouldn't call you retarded. The accurate term would be to call you ignorant.

In closing, I think you should have just stopped when you said,"I don't have much merit here......yet!" I once had a boss who said that God gave you 2 ears and 1 mouth. You would be well served by listening twice as much as you talk. Maybe think twice before you come after someone you don't know next time.

hockenheimr

I still stand by my point that 'You are only as good as your last transaction'....I think this raises the standard and you were the one that made a slightly rude comment after....actually looks like you make a lot, which I think is a good judge of someones character. I don't think I came after you...just pointing out that those standards would not apply in real life.

I think Kai is probably a stand up guy, but he messed up multiple times and should have accepted the criticism. We all mess up...but it's how we deal with it afterwards that makes us better humans.

I know Steve is an awesome guy, you probably are too...maybe you had a bad day or something...I know **** happens.

I guess I won't dare say your only as good as your last post

GTgears

This is real life. That's part of the problem with the internet culture. People think this is somehow pretend. I've never met Kai or Steve. I don't "know" them IRL. But then I do.

As for your latter comment? Look in the mirror. You didn't have much to say in response to what I said.

Or maybe you should internet/RL stalk me. I've made half a dozen posts elsewhere since I said that. So which post is the best me? What about the worst me?

Come on dude. Just admit that you were a little dramatic in what you said. Nobody likes to get called out on when they talk out their ****. But a real man owns it, like Kai did.

hockenheimr

Soon people will be calling this a East/West Coast riff!!! Yeeeeee!

Seriously GT I re-read your last comments....and mine again to see if I insulted anyone and still I don't think I did (my last one might have been a bit cheeky at most).

One of the issues with these forums, emails, text messages, and alike is people infer their own temperament into them and hence all the miscommunication.

People just need to chill out.

hockenheimr

Not to insult you...but I'm not going to say anything about what you said...I honestly think you should regret it and erase it for your own good. It sounds like you were in a drunken anger moment or something...lots of random stuff going on....like being against the commercialization of the auto culture. Dude you provide to the industry...and the industry is better for people seeking profits.

hockenheimr

Now you have me writing too many posts...jeez! wife is going to be on my back.

Real-life - like a real parts supplier (I obviously knew who you were, and Steve I've spoken to before).
Internet stalk you - I plan to buy your company after you die and sell it to the Chinese.
Dramatic - not me, I think you are talking about a different post.
Talk out of their **** - I didn't say anything technical, again not me, mine were arguments based on logic.
Kai owning it - telling someone to come find me is not owning it.....it's a sign of weakness where I come from. Kai sounds like a strong guy so I mean he had a moment of weakness and then he did what was right.

Are we on the same page?

GTgears

I'm gonna go put my 3 year old to bed.

I'll write it all off to the language barrier. And there you get to see who I am at heart. I'm a pretty easy going guy. I like the comradery here. I hate when there is drama. And now I'm just giving your shyte to show that we can move on.

As for buying my company and selling it to the Chinese? Something tells me that we are back to you talking out your ****. But if you've got the money, have your banker call me. I'll sell today and retire if the price is right.

hockenheimr

I am the banker....manufacturing companies are usually pretty easy to finance and thus provide a higher ROI for buyouts.

I don't own two 911s that I paid cash and then invest $40-50gs into one because I talk out my ****...and I am probably half your age. Canadians are very conservative when it comes to money.

Yes I am the new guy, but I'm a psycho-path when it comes to knowledge....one of my degrees is in Biochemistry just because I was bored. So, I am learning and learning...and trying not to talk out of my ****. One of the biggest dilemmas is either to have my engine built by a engine builder or to do it myself just because I want the knowledge even if it means learning the hard way.

Again I wasn't trying to insult you or Steve, in a previous post somewhere I tell someone to use Steve and he's still on my list so why would I insult him. My goal was for you to see what I think a few other people were seeing....and this was even after you insulted me.

Cheers

Bob Rouleau

I'd like to clarify - Rennlist does not have "sanctions:. We have "infractions" you get demerit points for various transgression of the charter and Terms of Service. Get ten demerit points and you get a three day vacation. IN any case no penalties of any kind have been imposed on Kai as of this writing.

Other than that there is banning - can be short term or forever. I hate doing that. The most common reason is bad dealing - I'm sure you recall the guy that sold a 964 Cup to which he did not have title, not to mention other failures to deliver parts after being paid.

I'm hoping that this case is just a screw-iup and that Cobalt will be made whole as KaiB has promised. I also complement Cobalt on the calm approach to all this.

Regards,

cobalt

Bob,

I believe everyone here will agree I make every effort to uphold a level of decorum that is worthy of rennlist. This has been my home away from home for over a decade. I appreciate all that I have learned and been able to pass onto other members and users. I make every effort to work with others to be patient and understanding.

I have made lifelong friends here and when I go to events and mention my member name I find people to recognize me and are complimentary about my posts. I have helped countless members locate the Porsche of their dreams and have worked at finding buyers when a seller has decided to move on. I invite members over to my home to use my lift and tools and I offer my experience to those that are uncomfortable with taking a job on for the first time. I make every effort to offer sage advice and put members in touch with the numerous contacts I have made over the years be it finding the mechanic that suits their needs, a clear bra specialist to protect that original paint or a body shop when their prized possession gets damaged.

All you need to do is ask and I make an effort to help it is the least I can do to return the favors that others have done for me and it is my contribution to this community.

I thank you for your compliment. I do however find it rather distressing that this has come to a boiling point yet a second time. I was not going to bring this up if I received a check by today but since it has I was willing to overlook Kai's first indiscretion. Chalk it up to a "screw-up" I believe if you read my posts I was actually defending Kai because after our conversation I truly believed it was. He was very apologetic and said all the right things. He was willing to make good by not only sending me the parts but refunding me the money as well. I have never been someone to ask for something for nothing. Despite my loosing my business of 30 years and three generations due to a certain Hurricane I continue on and I make my time work for me by doing what I once paid for. It has not been easy and I rely on people to make good on their promises and Kai clearly has not done that. Despite his understanding of how much his first indiscretion has cost me beyond the mere cost of the rotors he clearly was aware of the need I had for the parts. Based on his promise I informed him I would be cancelling the order I had for the rotors based on his commitment he would ship ASAP and all would be forgiven and become part of the past.

I have not mentioned my situation to anyone other than Steve and yourself and now I find myself in a rather uncomfortable predicament. My caring nature and willingness to overlook peoples shortcomings has cost me far more dearly this time. Down deep I wish this was a case of a simple screw up a second time however, what has been perpetrated here is inexcusable. There may be extenuating circumstances that far outweigh what I can imagine. He might be in a coma or his hands were amputated but we all know that is not the case. In this day and age there are very few excuses for lack of simple communication or in this case deception.

After not hearing from Kai after his insistence he would ship immediately and forward me the tracking info I waited the week and heard nothing. I was once again forced to track him down. I sent emails, called his home his cell and sent several text messages. I received an email on April 2nd informing me his wife was all over him for not following through and claimed he was boarding a plane in Denver for home. The parts were boxed and in his truck and guaranteed they would be shipped out when he arrived. Now any number of things could have transpired but in this day of modern technology he could have easily text-ed me, called me or emailed me. He chose not to do so. Astonished by his replication of the first screw up in an identical fashion I reached out to Steve who has been put in the middle of this and I am grateful for his reaching out yet a second time. However, Kai had every responsibility to either send the parts or refund my money, but more so he had a responsibility at a minimum to inform me of what his intentions were. I can understand and overlook this the first time. Now he has done it a second time and to be informed second hand that he has reneged on his promise and a check was dropped in the mail so late into the situation; only to find out that it was mailed after I was informed it had already been sent is a blatant disregard towards me. He chose to play games and disrespect my wishes to have the check FedEx'd overnight. Clearly there is no remorse and clearly he is not the upstanding member I always assumed he was.

I will give him until tomorrow to receive the check. The damage is already done. My wife so desperately wanted to attend several functions she needs the escape since the passing of her mother but she will now have to live with the fact that a careless act by a once upstanding member has cost her as well as me.

I did not start this thread but Kai nailed it he is IMO a "bad man". I apologize for my rant and to the members that call Kai their friend I never wanted it to come to this but I have no doubt the check will not arrive and that Kai feels no remorse for the insurmountable delays and costs associated with his careless actions. Maybe we will all learn from this.

I will inform you if the check arrives by tomorrow if it does not and no action is taken than I guess we will deal with it then.

GTgears

I'm really sorry to hear that this hasn't been resolved.

FlyinTomato

100% agree on "'You are only as good as your last transaction". high standard should always be held.

TrackdayRSA.

Unbelievable that this is still not resolved 6 weeks after this thread started....

pirahna

Crazy that someone would ruin their reputation over such a small amount of money. Sorry to hear about the hassles Tony, hopefully you get a resolution soon.

John McM

Astounding.

Based on trust inferred through a shared friendship built up through Rennlist and my posting history of 14 Years on Rennlist I received payment in full for my Turbo 3.6 BEFORE shipping it to the UK.

There was no intermediary lawyer trust account escrow etc, just cash in my account and the expectation that I would honor my word and ship the car. The transaction went smoothly and the buyer now has it. Upon receipt he thanked me very very much (sic) for selling it to him.

I just wanted to relate that transaction to remind people that trust isn't always abused, even if that's the ultimate case here.