Babyseat for 964 ?
08-11-2014, 03:36 PM
#17
Instructor
Hi Stuart, interesting stuff. Attached a couple of pics of ours below and would welcome your thoughts. In the 964 I had to use the socket from the other side, not sure if his has any issues. This is really secure with no movement. In the wife's XF, the belt seems to sit up against the socket as you say, however I don't see how else it could be fitted. This does have some movement but not too bad.
964 base:
964 with seat fitted:
XF
964 base:
964 with seat fitted:
XF
08-11-2014, 04:41 PM
#18
Three Wheelin'
Hi Haves, yes I would imagine that the XF is spot on, the buckle sits just below the frame so as long as the the other side, down by the lower part of the rear wheel arch is not too far forward ie, it come out from under the seat squab and it just back from the point where it runs over the seat frame, then it should be perfect, as long as you've made sure it's tight.
As for the 911, this is the perfect example of what parents think is safe, but is potentially very dangerous and is why you have some movement.
In some cases the seat belt buckle can be made shorter on the seat side of the tunnel, if this doesn't work it means finding a different seat.
We used to supply a seat by Mamas and Papas that used a kit we designed to hold it into the 911's and it could also be fitted into the cabs.
Unfortunately this seat is no longer available, but can be bought second hand.
This is not normally advised, but if you an find one owned by another 911 owner whose child has out grown it, this can be a great option.
We can make new fitting kits.
Have's if you want to discuss this further, or anyone else, please PM me with a telephone number and I'll happily give you a call to discuss further.
As for the 911, this is the perfect example of what parents think is safe, but is potentially very dangerous and is why you have some movement.
In some cases the seat belt buckle can be made shorter on the seat side of the tunnel, if this doesn't work it means finding a different seat.
We used to supply a seat by Mamas and Papas that used a kit we designed to hold it into the 911's and it could also be fitted into the cabs.
Unfortunately this seat is no longer available, but can be bought second hand.
This is not normally advised, but if you an find one owned by another 911 owner whose child has out grown it, this can be a great option.
We can make new fitting kits.
Have's if you want to discuss this further, or anyone else, please PM me with a telephone number and I'll happily give you a call to discuss further.
08-11-2014, 05:17 PM
#19
Rennlist Member
Make sure to install the upper tether mount.
The upper tether mount was hidden in my car ('90), but I followed an old thread on this site to expose the slots.
“Bates” DIY (thanks!):
https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...st-how-to.html
Based on my experience I think the upper tether mount adds a lot to the overall stability of the seat. I don’t want to argue the crash protection merits of an upper tether point, but the day-to-day stability of the seat (in either 5-point mode or just used as a booster) is greatly increased with the tether. The reason for this is that even though the booster fits PERFECTLY in the seat pocket area, the (Porsche) car seat design is very deep b/c of the transmission. The seating is deep and the seatbelt anchor attachment points are relatively high in relation to the seat bottom (normal cars have a pretty flat seat with belts right there, the Porsche belts start just a little higher and forward).
So in the Porsche, the seat fits perfectly and the seat belts thread through nicely but the triangulated relationship of the belt is altered causing most any booster seat to tip forward. (Sorry for the long-winded detail – see pictures)
When I was first installing the seats, I knew everything was locked down and secure, but given the forward and high location of the seat belt anchoring bolts it still felt tipsy. The upper tether mount completely solves this.
Upper tether mount
Best,
Udo
The upper tether mount was hidden in my car ('90), but I followed an old thread on this site to expose the slots.
“Bates” DIY (thanks!):
https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...st-how-to.html
Based on my experience I think the upper tether mount adds a lot to the overall stability of the seat. I don’t want to argue the crash protection merits of an upper tether point, but the day-to-day stability of the seat (in either 5-point mode or just used as a booster) is greatly increased with the tether. The reason for this is that even though the booster fits PERFECTLY in the seat pocket area, the (Porsche) car seat design is very deep b/c of the transmission. The seating is deep and the seatbelt anchor attachment points are relatively high in relation to the seat bottom (normal cars have a pretty flat seat with belts right there, the Porsche belts start just a little higher and forward).
So in the Porsche, the seat fits perfectly and the seat belts thread through nicely but the triangulated relationship of the belt is altered causing most any booster seat to tip forward. (Sorry for the long-winded detail – see pictures)
When I was first installing the seats, I knew everything was locked down and secure, but given the forward and high location of the seat belt anchoring bolts it still felt tipsy. The upper tether mount completely solves this.
Upper tether mount
Best,
Udo
08-12-2014, 05:55 AM
#20
Instructor
Hi Stuart, thanks for the reply. Of the two the xf seat definitely has more movement, but are you saying that's ok as long as it's fitted correctly? On the 911, the seat has very little movement so is the problem using the buckle from the opposite side?
08-12-2014, 10:35 AM
#21
Racer
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: QC & VT
Posts: 434
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Same here. Using passenger seatbelt and the upper tether it's quite solid and moves minimally.
The instruction manual DOES allow a certain play on the seat so I don't think its true that there must be no play at all.
The instruction manual DOES allow a certain play on the seat so I don't think its true that there must be no play at all.
08-12-2014, 11:32 AM
#22
Cruisin'
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
08-13-2014, 03:56 PM
#24
Three Wheelin'
Haves, if the seat in the Jag moves, it can be two things.
1). The return end (that's the anchor point down by the rear wheel arch and sill could be too far forward, which means you can't pull that corner of the child seat back far enough to make it fit tightly.
2). The seat belt just hasn't been pulled tight enough.
Release to lock off's, put your knee into the seat and pull as hard as you can, then close the locking devices.
3). Even though the seat belt buckle is nice and short, if that sits to far forward, that too can contribute to the seat being slightly loose.
Jetta's photos and descriptions are good and point this out.
By all means give me a call if you want to discuss it.
1). The return end (that's the anchor point down by the rear wheel arch and sill could be too far forward, which means you can't pull that corner of the child seat back far enough to make it fit tightly.
2). The seat belt just hasn't been pulled tight enough.
Release to lock off's, put your knee into the seat and pull as hard as you can, then close the locking devices.
3). Even though the seat belt buckle is nice and short, if that sits to far forward, that too can contribute to the seat being slightly loose.
Jetta's photos and descriptions are good and point this out.
By all means give me a call if you want to discuss it.
10-18-2014, 10:13 PM
#28
My kids love their "Ride Safer" vests plus a booster seat. They are young, 4 and 2. Bonus that these vests are much easier to travel with than carrying a car seat on a plane.
