Great AMERICAN 964s for sale
#5311
Racer
Looks like the 1991 sold pretty fast with that $75,000 price , there is a 1993 here in the classifieds with 160,000 miles and asking $70,000 wonder if it sells near that being they are so rare.
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#5312
Looks like the 1991 sold pretty fast with that $75,000 price , there is a 1993 here in the classifieds with 160,000 miles and asking $70,000 wonder if it sells near that being they are so rare.
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#5313
Rennlist Member
For $70 to $75k I'll buy a G-body car and drop in a 3.6 or rebuild the 3.2 to perform a whole lot better and then build out the rest of what I want. As much as I love the 964, I find the prices silly. I get it, my opinion is not the market but I won't be participating.
BTW Abreu Motors has a Murano Green C2 coupe that looks sweet LOL
BTW Abreu Motors has a Murano Green C2 coupe that looks sweet LOL
#5314
Rennlist Member
For $70 to $75k I'll buy a G-body car and drop in a 3.6 or rebuild the 3.2 to perform a whole lot better and then build out the rest of what I want. As much as I love the 964, I find the prices silly. I get it, my opinion is not the market but I won't be participating.
BTW Abreu Motors has a Murano Green C2 coupe that looks sweet LOL
BTW Abreu Motors has a Murano Green C2 coupe that looks sweet LOL
what makes you think a ‘93 is “so rare”? Simply because of the production numbers? Rare means it’s something different. Buying in to this myth that the last couple years of production were any better simply based on the amount built is shortsighted. A ‘92,3 or 4 have very little difference mechanically and the service history is a much greater factor in determining its worth rather than simply how many were built in a certain year.
I may publish a book like George Hussy did for the 914 one day. Maybe it will change the way people understand these cars.
Also when it comes to any Porsche from this period people want the last of the model as much as they can. Just like my 93 928GTS which is very nearly identical to a 95 928GTS but the 95 will almost always command more money that the 93, just the way it is.
#5315
Addict
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Anthony with regards to the differences between the earlier and later 964’s, cosmetics aside I have to wonder if most of the issues and updates haven’t already been performed on most of the earlier cars to bring them up to the later cars? The rear suspension update is clearly one area that will not change on the older cars although I’m curious what the actual differences are and why Porsche made the change part way through production.
Also can you elaborate on the tub differences (other than rear suspension already noted).
Also can you elaborate on the tub differences (other than rear suspension already noted).
#5316
GT3 player par excellence
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agree with cobalt and the ongoing changing in porsche is common, not just with 964
and the changes are not readily announced by porsche
while I don't have 964 knowledge like cobalt, I have a lot of background in GT3/RS and there are a lot more differenced b/n the variants then ppl think.
and the changes are not readily announced by porsche
while I don't have 964 knowledge like cobalt, I have a lot of background in GT3/RS and there are a lot more differenced b/n the variants then ppl think.
#5317
what makes you think a ‘93 is “so rare”? Simply because of the production numbers? Rare means it’s something different. Buying in to this myth that the last couple years of production were any better simply based on the amount built is shortsighted. A ‘92,3 or 4 have very little difference mechanically and the service history is a much greater factor in determining its worth rather than simply how many were built in a certain year.
#5318
what makes you think a ‘93 is “so rare”? Simply because of the production numbers? Rare means it’s something different. Buying in to this myth that the last couple years of production were any better simply based on the amount built is shortsighted. A ‘92,3 or 4 have very little difference mechanically and the service history is a much greater factor in determining its worth rather than simply how many were built in a certain year.
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#5319
I guess my definition of “rare” differs from what you guys think. From a practical standpoint, as a driver and also taking value into consideration...I see very little rarity from one year to the other and I’ve driven them all. The mechanical differences only become apparent when pushing these cars to the limit for extended periods. Something I’d guess that very few here have ever done. Biggest difference is the head gasket issue and most 964s still on the road have had that fixed.
Id much rather have an early car that’s been maintained well, driven and not abused over a ‘93 or ‘94 low mile “rare” garage queen.
Id much rather have an early car that’s been maintained well, driven and not abused over a ‘93 or ‘94 low mile “rare” garage queen.
#5320
Three Wheelin'
Porsche published a Service Information Technik manual for every year of the 964, which describes model year changes. This isn’t a secret. There are many changes over the production.
#5321
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by Lorenzoh
I guess my definition of “rare” differs from what you guys think. From a practical standpoint, as a driver and also taking value into consideration...I see very little rarity from one year to the other and I’ve driven them all. The mechanical differences only become apparent when pushing these cars to the limit for extended periods. Something I’d guess that very few here have ever done. Biggest difference is the head gasket issue and most 964s still on the road have had that fixed.
Id much rather have an early car that’s been maintained well, driven and not abused over a ‘93 or ‘94 low mile “rare” garage queen.
Id much rather have an early car that’s been maintained well, driven and not abused over a ‘93 or ‘94 low mile “rare” garage queen.
I have a relatively decent understanding of these cars and have driven them amongst most every other Porsche you can think of. From stock to modded to completely transformed race prepped. Unless we are talking, turbo or the 3.6/3.8RS these are all a similar experience except for the differences between 2 and AWD. However there are numerous improvements made over the years. This as Mooty aptly pointed out has been an ongoing approach to building these cars since day 1. We see lots of very early cars including some 901's around me and many of them can be different from one serial number to the next back then. However the 964 has an extensive list of changes that will take far more time than i have to list.
The most apparent other than the newer non problematic DMF and revised heads and cylinders is the change to the rear shock towers. Some quick examples off the top of my head that don't even scratch the surface but just to name a few are: the rear deck lid lock changed from the round spring type to the latch type and later included a micro switch for the alarm & light vs a pin switch, Indents on the side that hold the rocker panel in place were increased, door latch mechanism changed to allow both locking and unlocking of the doors without power, rear bumper supports reinforced to prevent cracking of the rear quarter panels, A micro switch was added for the front latch to control the lights and alarm vs a pin switch these were usually the result of battery drain, Speakers no longer used a crossover in the door panels which had issues and failed. Revised wiper arms that worked at speed, R134 vs R22 freon and improved compressor and condenser. Aero vs flag mirrors, Revised front wheel hubs, C2's received 4 vs 2 pot rear calipers. Rear tail light seals changed to prevent rust from forming. Revised plumbing of the fuel lines, etc etc etc.
I can go on like this for pages and this is just the body. Some are more significant than others although were done for a reason and those reasons were improvements many of which were carried through to the 993 or changed again.
Without a doubt a well maintained car should come first but why would you say a garage queen with low miles is not a well maintained car? This is a fallacy and a well maintained car is a well maintained car irrespective of mileage.
PS: we are finding many more early cars without gasket issues addressed than we could have imagined. I saw an early 89 with the original problematic DMF not long ago. So saying everything has been addressed by now is an assumption I would be careful making.
#5323
Rennlist Member
Clean 964's are getting harder and harder to find. It took me a while to find one that checked most of my boxes. I think when you find one that you really like, it's foolish to hold things up over +/- 5k. There is so much variability in how each car presents and the service history that would make it pretty difficult to replicate the same scenario. These cars are popular for a reason. They bridge the gap between vintage / classic cars and modern porsches not to mention the build quality and overall design.
#5324
Drifting
again, cobalt, you must be batman....yes many thanks for enriching the collective knowledge here, i look forward to getting smarter every day...
#5325
Rennlist Member
Thanks guys but as time goes on you pick up on these things it is nothing special. There are many like me who focus on different models. The 928, 944,968 then the early long nose cars and 356's that have people just as informed. I prefer the 964 so I have accumulated more knowledge and continue to learn each day. Although I am around the others as well I find the 964 to be special but would love to own them all and many others as well.
I am supposed to head to Hershey Saturday. I drove my turbo out last year and my C2 the year before with Ilko but the ride sucks. I am supposed to go and hang out with the guys from SOUL exhaust and Apex Moterworks this year but the weather doesn't look great. Might just bring my truck and sell some parts assuming I go.
I am supposed to head to Hershey Saturday. I drove my turbo out last year and my C2 the year before with Ilko but the ride sucks. I am supposed to go and hang out with the guys from SOUL exhaust and Apex Moterworks this year but the weather doesn't look great. Might just bring my truck and sell some parts assuming I go.