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964 Widebody C4 or 993 C2S for same money?

 
Old 11-16-2012, 06:53 AM
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Just went with the 964 Widebody.... ah and let me go drive mine now :P

Ideally my wife would have a 993 C4S... got my eye on one (the previous owner of my 964 - one day he will sell I suspect).

The 964 looks better to me, where the 993 drives better to me.
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Originally Posted by u7t2p7 View Post
I've owned a 964 C4 wide body; I own a 993 C2S. Most will agree the C2S is a "better" car; ie. more refined and more collectible in the long run. 964's have had their price appreciation in the past few years (especially the MY's 92-94); the 993's are now going through this pricing appreciation. I actually prefer the look of the 964 wide body, as to me it represents the quintessential 911 look however I much prefer the way the 993 drives.
Agree the 993 probably drives better but not sure about some of this...

1. Price appreciation: I would say the opposite is true, 993s have already appreciated whereas 964s are still undergoing this process after years of being undervalued
2. 993 C2S being more collectible: I'm not totally sure on this but i think the 4 widebody is a much rarer car than the C2S. I think this would make it more collectible?
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Originally Posted by jack.pe View Post
Agree the 993 probably drives better but not sure about some of this...

1. Price appreciation: I would say the opposite is true, 993s have already appreciated whereas 964s are still undergoing this process after years of being undervalued
2. 993 C2S being more collectible: I'm not totally sure on this but i think the 4 widebody is a much rarer car than the C2S. I think this would make it more collectible?
I can't fault your logic. I think it's worth noting, however, that the 993 C2S is widely considered the best looking and driving air cooled 911. I like the styling of the 964 better but...

It is for this reason that I think it might be more collectible. Though the 964 is rarer that doesn't necessarily make it more desirable or valuable. Or maybe, in time, it will...

14 to 14 votes...you guys aren't any help at all;-)
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14 to 14 votes...you guys aren't any help at all;-)
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It looks like you have been through a couple 964's, maybe a 993S would be nice to have in your stable. I like the slick modern-ish styling of the 993, but the 964 does take my vote. Just gives off that feeling of older guy with refined taste. Kind of like a nice swiss made watch that people overlook because it's not a gold presidential or a two-tone sub. My opinion and 2cents.
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Old-school Turbo fenders win every time. Sorry, it's true.

It's a stunning and rare car that looks fantastic stock (and worth more).
OR
With a few simple reversible mods, you can change the whole character of the car with a Duck and some deep-dish BBS wheels.
Everyone needs to own a Turbo bodied car at least once!

You an switch back and forth...
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Originally Posted by 964Q View Post
It looks like you have been through a couple 964's, maybe a 993S would be nice to have in your stable. I like the slick modern-ish styling of the 993, but the 964 does take my vote. Just gives off that feeling of older guy with refined taste. Kind of like a nice swiss made watch that people overlook because it's not a gold presidential or a two-tone sub. My opinion and 2cents.
Agreed. I am thinking why not try a 993 as I've tried 964 and 997.

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Old-school Turbo fenders win every time. Sorry, it's true.

It's a stunning and rare car that looks fantastic stock (and worth more).
OR
With a few simple reversible mods, you can change the whole character of the car with a Duck and some deep-dish BBS wheels.
Everyone needs to own a Turbo bodied car at least once!

You an switch back and forth...
Don't think some sort of Rauh Welt craziness hasn't occurred to me.

Something like this:
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Originally Posted by SharpMan View Post
I can't fault your logic. I think it's worth noting, however, that the 993 C2S is widely considered the best looking and driving air cooled 911. I like the styling of the 964 better but...

It is for this reason that I think it might be more collectible. Though the 964 is rarer that doesn't necessarily make it more desirable or valuable. Or maybe, in time, it will...

14 to 14 votes...you guys aren't any help at all;-)
+1...Agree with these comments 100%

However a tie (or close to tie vote) on the 964 forum is basically a "win" for the 993 C2S. My guess is that the same poll on the 993 forum would run at least 80-20 in favor of the C2S. Just saying
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Holt had 2 different colored 964 C4s for awhile. He was asking $45K for them about 2 years ago. These cars appreciate better than the equity market..
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Originally Posted by u7t2p7 View Post
+1...Agree with these comments 100%

However a tie (or close to tie vote) on the 964 forum is basically a "win" for the 993 C2S. My guess is that the same poll on the 993 forum would run at least 80-20 in favor of the C2S. Just saying
That's why I didn't bother asking over there. The Cool Aid is a bit strong;-)

That and the fact 964 guys are the coolest (having owned two myself;-)

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Holt had 2 different colored 964 C4s for awhile. He was asking $45K for them about 2 years ago. These cars appreciate better than the equity market..
I think he said he has three right now. A black and a silver at $60K-ish and another silver with a linen interior at $55K. Sloan has a black on black at $55-ish as well.

Indeed these are getting pricey. I passed on a really nice silver on black in 2009 for $42,000.
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I read and vote on the 993 forum as well. I think there is a lot of overlap in the cars and the owners.
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I read and vote on the 993 forum as well. I think there is a lot of overlap in the cars and the owners.
For sure. I was just chiding.
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Originally Posted by Navaros911 View Post
Just went with the 964 Widebody.... ah and let me go drive mine now :P

Ideally my wife would have a 993 C4S... got my eye on one (the previous owner of my 964 - one day he will sell I suspect).

The 964 looks better to me, where the 993 drives better to me.
Have any pictures you'd like to share?
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:05 PM
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Stone gray interior on the 964 is a downside to me personally. 1998 C2S will be more collectible if that is a factor. I think you could find a 1998 993 C2S for less.
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Originally Posted by goofballdeluxe View Post
Stone gray interior on the 964 is a downside to me personally. 1998 C2S will be more collectible if that is a factor. I think you could find a 1998 993 C2S for less.
Yours? ;-)

I think I've told you before but it looks stellar on the MY02 wheels. I believe you told me that they are narrow body wheels with spacers, correct?
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