Newbies, DO A PRE PURCHASE INSPECTION B4 U BUY
05-19-2011, 12:44 PM
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15 Pages! WOW - I disappear to the AOR for a few days and this thing erupts. Hell, when I saw the thread length I thought it was another painful discussion about motor oil, brakes or tires. Or maybe a free oil give away? And then I read the title.....
The horse has been beat dead, mummified and turned to glue about what should have - could have done prior to the purchase. If you're really going to get this rig fixed it better be done right for $14,000. Did I read that the PO was giving back $4,000 to offset the cost of the rebuild? If that is true, then $10,000 is not a bad price for a rebuild. Updates and pictures would be nice, I would start a different thread and title it something snazzy, I can't think of anything right now because I am jet lagged like a **** but I am sure the "team" can think of a good title.
One day you/we may look back at this thread and laugh.
Good luck!
The horse has been beat dead, mummified and turned to glue about what should have - could have done prior to the purchase. If you're really going to get this rig fixed it better be done right for $14,000. Did I read that the PO was giving back $4,000 to offset the cost of the rebuild? If that is true, then $10,000 is not a bad price for a rebuild. Updates and pictures would be nice, I would start a different thread and title it something snazzy, I can't think of anything right now because I am jet lagged like a **** but I am sure the "team" can think of a good title.
One day you/we may look back at this thread and laugh.
Good luck!
05-19-2011, 12:44 PM
#212
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The cams problem looks more like impact than wear. Judging by the epoxy job, my guess is that the previous mechanic dropped it. That, or they filled it up and ran it before the epoxy dried and the oil was contaminated by the epoxy. OR....the previous mechanic didn't use enough ZDDP with his rebuild.
05-19-2011, 01:55 PM
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Guy not finding it funny, but if you read all my posts here goes to my same point seems like your jumping into repairs you don't know anything about and just trusting one mechanic. I think we have all suggested you should get a second pinion and try to learn as much as possible before spending more and more money.
05-19-2011, 06:11 PM
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Well, it's not always perfect either. I got a PPI on my car, which had a $20K engine rebuild before I bought it. 10K miles later it spun a rod bearing. Had it repaired professionally for $14K, and drove it another 20K miles. Spun another rod bearing. So I rebuilt it myself, found that the oil breather hose had a slit in it, and the oil tank had a half inch of sand in it.
So, sometimes you get screwed, not intentionally, but screwed never the less.
I'm sorry for your unenviable position, but sometimes life gives you the cherry pits.
So, sometimes you get screwed, not intentionally, but screwed never the less.
I'm sorry for your unenviable position, but sometimes life gives you the cherry pits.
05-19-2011, 07:16 PM
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Well, it's not always perfect either. I got a PPI on my car, which had a $20K engine rebuild before I bought it. 10K miles later it spun a rod bearing. Had it repaired professionally for $14K, and drove it another 20K miles. Spun another rod bearing. So I rebuilt it myself, found that the oil breather hose had a slit in it, and the oil tank had a half inch of sand in it.
So, sometimes you get screwed, not intentionally, but screwed never the less.
I'm sorry for your unenviable position, but sometimes life gives you the cherry pits.
So, sometimes you get screwed, not intentionally, but screwed never the less.
I'm sorry for your unenviable position, but sometimes life gives you the cherry pits.
05-19-2011, 08:01 PM
#217
Just think about how good it will feel after it stops hurting so bad......lots of great advice from some very smart, experienced, and passionate folks on this forum.
And on the 'while you're in there' topic, the screws holding your rear center light don't look correct.
Welcome. Listen. Slow down, there's lots to learn!
And on the 'while you're in there' topic, the screws holding your rear center light don't look correct.
Welcome. Listen. Slow down, there's lots to learn!
05-19-2011, 08:33 PM
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While it's normally bad form to post PM's this one may shed some light on the cams in question.
The pitted lobe looks like a typical, high (very) mileage issue. It also could be the result of running crappy oil, or during some type of repair the technician got the rocker arms out of sequence. If a rocker with a wear pattern is installed on a different cam lobe, with its own wear pattern, this type of pitting/wear can occur in a short period of time or miles.
Usually, when top end work is done, and the cams/rockers look good, the rockers are laid out (this is the way my shop did it) on a large piece of cardboard with the cyl number and position (int or ex) marked for each rocker. They stayed there undisturbed until the assembly process, and were not even picked up for cleaning until it was time to install them, then it was one at a time start to finish.
There are also, unfortunately, mechanics out there who would look at light pitting and dismiss it for who knows what reason. There are also owners who won't let a technician replace pitted cams because of the cost involved. When cams are replaced, all of the rockers must also be replaced, or resurfaced by an expert with the tooling capable of putting the correct arc on each rocker face. The depth of any resurfacing must also be considered, because it wouldn't do any good to surface a rocker but machine through its hardness depth.
Lot's going on with cams/rockers,
Usually, when top end work is done, and the cams/rockers look good, the rockers are laid out (this is the way my shop did it) on a large piece of cardboard with the cyl number and position (int or ex) marked for each rocker. They stayed there undisturbed until the assembly process, and were not even picked up for cleaning until it was time to install them, then it was one at a time start to finish.
There are also, unfortunately, mechanics out there who would look at light pitting and dismiss it for who knows what reason. There are also owners who won't let a technician replace pitted cams because of the cost involved. When cams are replaced, all of the rockers must also be replaced, or resurfaced by an expert with the tooling capable of putting the correct arc on each rocker face. The depth of any resurfacing must also be considered, because it wouldn't do any good to surface a rocker but machine through its hardness depth.
Lot's going on with cams/rockers,
05-19-2011, 11:07 PM
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[QUOTE=altarchsa;8565425]THIS HAS TO BE A HOAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With 2,777 views and 141 posts in just over 24 hours, you don't think this "Guy" is just jerking your chains?
With statements like:
hillarious!! +964 Total BS Copy and Paste come on!
With 2,777 views and 141 posts in just over 24 hours, you don't think this "Guy" is just jerking your chains?
With statements like:
Relying on his mechanic ("He's a pro and locally well known"), but he's confusing Varioram with our 964's;
Why shouldn't I install a lightweight flywheel;
Oil leaks everywhere;
Top end jobs vs. complete rebuild;
etc., etc.,
he's hit almost every common topic on the 964 Forum.Why shouldn't I install a lightweight flywheel;
Oil leaks everywhere;
Top end jobs vs. complete rebuild;
etc., etc.,
hillarious!! +964 Total BS Copy and Paste come on!
05-20-2011, 07:48 PM
#223
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now to keep it going for another 15 pages........ and wait for it ....................................
WHEN THE ENGINE IS REBUILT WHAT OIL SHOULD HE USE? COMMENTS LOL
WHEN THE ENGINE IS REBUILT WHAT OIL SHOULD HE USE? COMMENTS LOL
05-22-2011, 12:18 AM
#224
Trust me, I wouldn't ask for your advice on a bet. All you old men can get back to your card game and laughing at those who are new to your income level, bought a Porsche, and actually expected it to perform at under 80k on the clock. Stupid Newbie... Don't expect this car to be engineered to stand the test of time and actually run without leaking oil all over the engine and parking lot! It's only the most evolved car on the planet! Porsche is also the most profitable auto manufacturer on the planet...hmmm. I am going to stubbornly get this new hobby put back together and drive it with a smile. Maybe if I put 3/4 the purchase price into the simple flat six, it will reward me with a few seasons and a few thousand miles of driving before the
next major rebuild. I expected more. It can't keep up with a vette, a 335i, a maxima, a mustang, a Hyundai G for that matter. Not my opinion, just the way it is. Less the Hyundai and maxima (maxima maybe), not even same year to same year.
Like I said and you already know, it does have a very special appeal. I just wish part of it was solid engineering that stands the test of time. Take care. I have checks to write...
next major rebuild. I expected more. It can't keep up with a vette, a 335i, a maxima, a mustang, a Hyundai G for that matter. Not my opinion, just the way it is. Less the Hyundai and maxima (maxima maybe), not even same year to same year.
Like I said and you already know, it does have a very special appeal. I just wish part of it was solid engineering that stands the test of time. Take care. I have checks to write...
05-22-2011, 12:38 AM
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as for lack of performance.. well, you bought a n/a widebody cabriolet
i guess some people should just stay away from cars.
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