I'm sooo tempted...while the engine is out
03-03-2006, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokin
Junk? In your eyes perhaps... But them most/all modifications are to you... As we've all seen in your prior posts. What is ugly and "Un-Porsche" about it? TPC has a very good name and is known around the world for their work.
After a walk / run with my dog, second coffee in hand and the usual morning fight with my son, I’m in fighting form!!..
Okay now where were we... Oh yeah... "Artificial Stimuli"...
While huffing and puffing out in the cold air I tried to come up with a good example of how I think about cars and life... Pushing 59 years old, I thought about "Viagra"... Don’t laugh... While Cooky was having a leak I thought... Now, according to the rules of ageing, in theory I have another, let’s say ten years or so of, full throttle action when I gun it... So let’s say I make to 70 years of age and then when gunning it, all I get is a slight broken idle, let along still being able to turn the key on... Would I take something to wake up the dead... "You damned right I would!!".. Turn the key on, full throttle ahead, here I come!!.."Viagra" to the rescue!!.. And what about the heart, would it be able to take the rush... Who cares about the heart... I’ll get a "Pace Maker!!".. A series of personal upgrades, maybe even a super-all-in-one-charger to keep me on the road dancing a little longer, why not!!..
"This is what I would do to myself...But, my Porsche 911/964 is not me!!"..
"I honestly believe in letting well enough alone"... Your Porsche 911/964, like mine and everyone else’s here a Rennlist.com are exemplary examples of what it means to own a, "Classic Sports car"... One is more beautiful than the other... I am proud to have the same enthusiasm as so many here... Every time someone posts photographs I devour the details of their 911/964 from bumper to bumper... "I think we all do"... But like you and perhaps others... "What turns you on the most" ?... Is it not the...
REAL PORSCHE ENGINE AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE...A SCREAMING, CRACKLING, ROARING FLAT SIX CYL./3.6 LTR.AIR-COOLED PRECISIONED HAND MADE PORSCHE ENGINE PRODUCING 250 UNDOMESTICATED BHP’S... I know that for some of the other members it is... You have no idea how many emails and PMs I receive being complimented for the work that I’ve done inside the Engine Bay... "Because, that’s the heart and soul of every Real Porsche 911"!!..
"It’s that Engine, in its original specification and form that binds us all together world wide"... These engines are in our hands... "I honestly believe in letting well enough alone"...
Thanks to members like you I’m open to the idea of certain modern upgrades / accessories, and have actually gone against my own grain... I removed and upgraded my Blaupunkt K-7, to a Becker CD / iPod... "THANKS EVERYONE!!"..
Rick, sorry when I said "junk", which was far too descriptive... I should have said instead, "inappropriate engine add-on"... I’m sure the equipment is very good... But, not for a "Classic Sports car", that was initially developed and constructed from an idea of more than forty plus years ago when the first, Porsche 911 with a 6 cylinder 2.0 litre air-cooled engine was introduced... And I remember that day... The Porsche 911 and I go back a long time... "The Porsche philosophy is still alive thanks to us, but it's getting tired"... "Respect the elderly, their days are numbered"...
"Perhaps that’s also why I’m such advocate of letting well enough alone"...
You know I could write forever, but I’m off for my everyday biking to stay in form and good shape, I’ve been doing that all my life... I never want to say, "Viagra" to the rescue!!"..
As I said earlier, thanks... It’s funny but you and I were chatting about the same topic when I first arrived at Rennlist.com... Funnier still, it was "Ron, The Puma 1824", that told me I should come to Rennlist.com... He said I’d be more in my element... Well he wasn’t wrong...
"I hope he's reading this"...
"It’ great talking Porsche, never be offended by my words... It’s my alter ego talking!!.. It can never be said that we’re not true to our convictions, but it’s great to be talking with you again"...
"We’re Porschists First and foremost, the rest is water down the toilette drain"...
From here,
Marc...
PS... Show me your 4WD BMW 325 IX... Another great car!!..
Your Honour... "I rest my case"... Exhibit "911/964" is all that is needed here... "And now the Jury"... Will take over and decide the fate of, "Ron, The Puma 1824"... "And the verdict is" ..... Good luck Ron...
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03-03-2006, 08:22 AM
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I say, go for it! If I had the cash, that's what I'd do. There's nothing wrong with wanting to get up to speed faster. When mine requires a rebuild, it will get forced induction of some sort. Make the car what you want it to be. It is, after all, yours.
The tip requires a different throttle body, to use the kit.
The tip requires a different throttle body, to use the kit.
03-03-2006, 09:34 AM
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My mechanic, who has 40-some years experience in Porsches, including factory racing, says these SC add-ons work great - right up to the day the additional stresses scatter your engine, and that scattering happens a lot sooner than it would otherwise. He was talking about very high temperatures in localised areas of the engine (maybe what RDR is saying?) - it was beyond me. Maybe there are ways around that, I dunno. If you need (or want 
) the additional power, that's the way to get it. But if you don't need the power...
Your car, your money. If you go through with it, keep us all in the loop...
) the additional power, that's the way to get it. But if you don't need the power...Your car, your money. If you go through with it, keep us all in the loop...
03-03-2006, 10:14 AM
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Geez Marc... Three posts... too much coffee? ... or Viagra?
Marc, as I said, I think everone knows how you stand on keeping your Porsche in it's original state. Whatever else I may think of you... I have to hand it to you that it appears you have done a marvelous job in restoring your Porsche back to original or better specs. While I'm not into cabriolets, the parts that I have seen look great. I do love your polished engine fan and plan to do something similar. I don't care for the polished ledge on your cab top though... It sticks out like a sore thumb. With that said, let's move on...
When you left this planet... I mean, when you left the USA, we were experiencing the birth of the muscle car craze. It took most of us 20 years or more to realize what gems Detroit was producing. Most pristine, low mileage muscle cars will fetch far more than our Porsches ever will, modified or not modified... If you have the right example of course. A lot of Americans are into power... Power of any sort. Even the looks of power. (ala ricer community.) With that in mind, to me, it's plain to see why anyone might want to inject a little more horsepower into their car, Porsche or not Porsche.
There are two distinct types of car owners. (Actually more but for our purposes...) There is the type that wants to keep their car a pristine example of what the factory chose to build... Or to make small improvements on it that do not affect the value or appearance. They may do this for many reasons, pride of ownership, worry about the reselling of the vehicle, etc. Then there is another group... We buy the cars that we want. We make the changes that we want to make. If there is a cool mod (that is not too "over-the-top") we will add it. (Others know no bounds unfortunately.) I specifically purchased my car because of the modifications it had. Why should I spend $20k out of my pocket if it's already been done? This group of people, and we may be the minority here, prefer to make these modifications without worry about what anyone else might think... Yes... Even you. We'd like more power, we'd like to go a little faster. I know that we don't have the Autobahn over here... But I'd like to leave the light a little faster than the other guy... And on ocassion, I like to stretch it out a little. I don't care what the next owner may think! I make these mods because it's what I want to do! I have probably 15 or more PMs in my "inbox" with offers for my car or people asking that I contact them first if I ever want to sell. They know I take care of my car and they know the mods that are on it. If it were a plain Jane original, I doubt I would have that many offers!
I don't object to anyone raising their point of view. I sometimes object to how they do it though. (As others will tell you.) To call something junk just because you don't like it is, perhaps, human nature. It is however, in this case, incorrect. TPC has a time honored past in installing superchargers in Porsches. I do plan to have one installed but at the time it costs a little too much for me. I am in the midst of starting my own business and that is taking a lot of my time and money. While I have the money to do this, I feel it would be a little irresponsible of me to do it at this time. (Is that okay?) In the next year or so I would love to add the TPC supercharger to my car. It depends on how the business goes however.
Did you stop to think that perhaps Ron wants "An Original Sports Car" over a "Classic Sports Car?" You're likening this to "Respect the elderly?" The fact that he is even thinking about it excites me. We all live vicariously through others on this forum who make their modifications. (Now I want an iPod interface in my Porsche!)
Perhaps Ron wants to enjoy himself in his car. Why should he (Or I) worry about what the next owner might think? Strangely enough, when I first bought my Porsche, I had this worry. My car was so clean it literally looked like it just came off the showroom floor! I was worried about dirt getting somewhere I couldn't see... But someone else might see. Stupid I know... Christer thought I was Obsessive-Compulsive. When I look back on my early posts, I can see why he thought that. But I digress...
Ron... Follow your heart (and wallet!)... If this is what you want to do... Do it!
PS - Marc... If you were a car, you wouldn't be a Porsche... You'd be a Yugo!
PSS - Thanks for not crying in this thread.
Marc, as I said, I think everone knows how you stand on keeping your Porsche in it's original state. Whatever else I may think of you... I have to hand it to you that it appears you have done a marvelous job in restoring your Porsche back to original or better specs. While I'm not into cabriolets, the parts that I have seen look great. I do love your polished engine fan and plan to do something similar. I don't care for the polished ledge on your cab top though... It sticks out like a sore thumb. With that said, let's move on...
When you left this planet... I mean, when you left the USA, we were experiencing the birth of the muscle car craze. It took most of us 20 years or more to realize what gems Detroit was producing. Most pristine, low mileage muscle cars will fetch far more than our Porsches ever will, modified or not modified... If you have the right example of course. A lot of Americans are into power... Power of any sort. Even the looks of power. (ala ricer community.) With that in mind, to me, it's plain to see why anyone might want to inject a little more horsepower into their car, Porsche or not Porsche.
There are two distinct types of car owners. (Actually more but for our purposes...) There is the type that wants to keep their car a pristine example of what the factory chose to build... Or to make small improvements on it that do not affect the value or appearance. They may do this for many reasons, pride of ownership, worry about the reselling of the vehicle, etc. Then there is another group... We buy the cars that we want. We make the changes that we want to make. If there is a cool mod (that is not too "over-the-top") we will add it. (Others know no bounds unfortunately.) I specifically purchased my car because of the modifications it had. Why should I spend $20k out of my pocket if it's already been done? This group of people, and we may be the minority here, prefer to make these modifications without worry about what anyone else might think... Yes... Even you. We'd like more power, we'd like to go a little faster. I know that we don't have the Autobahn over here... But I'd like to leave the light a little faster than the other guy... And on ocassion, I like to stretch it out a little. I don't care what the next owner may think! I make these mods because it's what I want to do! I have probably 15 or more PMs in my "inbox" with offers for my car or people asking that I contact them first if I ever want to sell. They know I take care of my car and they know the mods that are on it. If it were a plain Jane original, I doubt I would have that many offers!
I don't object to anyone raising their point of view. I sometimes object to how they do it though. (As others will tell you.) To call something junk just because you don't like it is, perhaps, human nature. It is however, in this case, incorrect. TPC has a time honored past in installing superchargers in Porsches. I do plan to have one installed but at the time it costs a little too much for me. I am in the midst of starting my own business and that is taking a lot of my time and money. While I have the money to do this, I feel it would be a little irresponsible of me to do it at this time. (Is that okay?) In the next year or so I would love to add the TPC supercharger to my car. It depends on how the business goes however.
Did you stop to think that perhaps Ron wants "An Original Sports Car" over a "Classic Sports Car?" You're likening this to "Respect the elderly?" The fact that he is even thinking about it excites me. We all live vicariously through others on this forum who make their modifications. (Now I want an iPod interface in my Porsche!)
Perhaps Ron wants to enjoy himself in his car. Why should he (Or I) worry about what the next owner might think? Strangely enough, when I first bought my Porsche, I had this worry. My car was so clean it literally looked like it just came off the showroom floor! I was worried about dirt getting somewhere I couldn't see... But someone else might see. Stupid I know... Christer thought I was Obsessive-Compulsive. When I look back on my early posts, I can see why he thought that. But I digress... Ron... Follow your heart (and wallet!)... If this is what you want to do... Do it!
PS - Marc... If you were a car, you wouldn't be a Porsche... You'd be a Yugo!
PSS - Thanks for not crying in this thread.
03-03-2006, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MARC A. 964 C4
... Don’t dream about Super-chargers...
03-03-2006, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by N51
Come on, everyone. Sing along! http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/climbev.htm
That was great !!.. No sooner had the music begun to play when a porno site called, "Crazy Girls" topped up... The timing could not have been better!!..
A great substitute for "Viagra", thanks I’ll remember that...
"Thanks for a laugh"...
From here,
Marc...
03-03-2006, 10:43 AM
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Hey Rick...
Nicely written, I appreciate reading your words. That’s a car enthusiast speaking...
Someone has to speak from the other side of the Porsche modification tracks...
Please Rick, and others stop taking the **** out of me though when I ‘m honest enough to speak how I feel when I’m writing. Do me a favour go to "OFF-TOPIC" now, and find the Thread started by "SWEET 944"..."NOT MUCH TIME NOW"...
"I was just outside because I needed air after what I wrote". Maybe you’ll get to know me better... But please also understand there’s more to me then you know... There's another side to me also...
Thanks, Marc...
I’ll get back to you later..
PS..." BTW this is the same Man that was "banned" with me two weeks ago when we stood our grounds on an, American living in France... And France's role in America's war... I still to this day do not agree that I should have been "banned" for having only defended the Country of MY FAMILY!!.. Not one vulgar word was used by me... I defended my Home that's all!!..Never to this day have I ever received an apology from Rennlist.com, though I sent endless emails asking for an explanation. I was banned without being allowed to defend myself!!.. I’ll stop there before the other side of me comes out, and then maybe once again, Marc Shaw will post this time, his Final Ban on me!!...
"But today I cry with the same Man"...
Nicely written, I appreciate reading your words. That’s a car enthusiast speaking...
Someone has to speak from the other side of the Porsche modification tracks...
Please Rick, and others stop taking the **** out of me though when I ‘m honest enough to speak how I feel when I’m writing. Do me a favour go to "OFF-TOPIC" now, and find the Thread started by "SWEET 944"..."NOT MUCH TIME NOW"...
"I was just outside because I needed air after what I wrote". Maybe you’ll get to know me better... But please also understand there’s more to me then you know... There's another side to me also...
Thanks, Marc...
I’ll get back to you later..
PS..." BTW this is the same Man that was "banned" with me two weeks ago when we stood our grounds on an, American living in France... And France's role in America's war... I still to this day do not agree that I should have been "banned" for having only defended the Country of MY FAMILY!!.. Not one vulgar word was used by me... I defended my Home that's all!!..Never to this day have I ever received an apology from Rennlist.com, though I sent endless emails asking for an explanation. I was banned without being allowed to defend myself!!.. I’ll stop there before the other side of me comes out, and then maybe once again, Marc Shaw will post this time, his Final Ban on me!!...
"But today I cry with the same Man"...
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03-03-2006, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by N51
Marc A,
With a classic looking wife, as you certainly have, I wonder why you're working the porno sites. But each to his own, eh?
With a classic looking wife, as you certainly have, I wonder why you're working the porno sites. But each to his own, eh?
It's a filter of some sort that's not working...
Or at least that's my excuse...
From here,
Marc...
03-03-2006, 11:36 AM
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Never knew this would be debated this much...actually maybe in the back of my mind I did Anyways...I'm still on the fense. While I love original spec cars, I also love modified cars too. That's where I'm really torn, as my car is somewhere inbetween.
My car as it is today may be seen as modified to the purist because I have aftermarket suspension, eurospec "bumperettes", aftermarket strut bar, (hopefully after engine rebuild - aftermarket stereo *just new head unit and speakers all around), and a complete interior color swap/restore. If I were to leave it at those changes, would my car still be considered "Original"?? Please enlighten me b/c I have no clue at this point. OR because of those changes my car is no longer considered original. If not "Original" will an aftermarket blower really change the value? Again please enlighten me. I don't think I can ever recover the cost of car if I were to ever sell...hell I can't even drive it yet
Something which interests me, for those of you who have gone the supercharger route...what are your experiences -past, present, post sale perhaps.
Thanks,
Puma
Anyways...I'm still on the fense. While I love original spec cars, I also love modified cars too. That's where I'm really torn, as my car is somewhere inbetween. My car as it is today may be seen as modified to the purist because I have aftermarket suspension, eurospec "bumperettes", aftermarket strut bar, (hopefully after engine rebuild - aftermarket stereo *just new head unit and speakers all around), and a complete interior color swap/restore. If I were to leave it at those changes, would my car still be considered "Original"?? Please enlighten me b/c I have no clue at this point. OR because of those changes my car is no longer considered original. If not "Original" will an aftermarket blower really change the value? Again please enlighten me. I don't think I can ever recover the cost of car if I were to ever sell...hell I can't even drive it yet
Something which interests me, for those of you who have gone the supercharger route...what are your experiences -past, present, post sale perhaps.
Thanks,
Puma
03-03-2006, 01:20 PM
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Puma, have you considered the protomotive turbo? I think you may want to take a look. The continual turbo upgrade path seems easier. The turbos are easier on the drivetrain and don't have the parasitic power losses that the superchargers have.
You could start off with the 400 hp option and work your way up to the 600+ option.
Where in Maryland are you? I could come give you a hand with either install.
You could start off with the 400 hp option and work your way up to the 600+ option.
Where in Maryland are you? I could come give you a hand with either install.
03-03-2006, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin 90 C2
Puma, have you considered the protomotive turbo? I think you may want to take a look. The continual turbo upgrade path seems easier. The turbos are easier on the drivetrain and don't have the parasitic power losses that the superchargers have.
You could start off with the 400 hp option and work your way up to the 600+ option.
Where in Maryland are you? I could come give you a hand with either install.
You could start off with the 400 hp option and work your way up to the 600+ option.
Where in Maryland are you? I could come give you a hand with either install.
03-03-2006, 01:36 PM
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Hiya Puma1824
Does your car have the matching serial number motor in it ?
I would not build this on the original case . I'd find another motor and modify it and keep the original in a box .
The blower motor is a compromise , I think . Its compression ratio should be lower , the cams should be cams made for use with blowers , etc .
The space around the motor looks like its all used up , how big a pain is it going to be to work on ?
what do you have to do to pull the plugs under the blower ?
For me , I'd rather put that money into gas , lube , tires and drive all over the place .
When I was a kid , I spent all my money on go fast stuf , spent my time working on the car instead of driving it . Looking back , I'm not sure that I would not have been better of if I had spent my time and money on actually going places with my cars .
I was at the Long Beach Grand prix 20 plus years ago , in the pre race race , a guy who had lost the use of his legs was racing a bunch of people in matched prepped toyotas . He was doing everything with his hands . They started him at the back of the pack . I watched him reel in everyone and pass them . It was beautiful to watch this "disabled" guy . He knew how to drive . It was then that I first understood , skill beats h.p. .
Does your car have the matching serial number motor in it ?
I would not build this on the original case . I'd find another motor and modify it and keep the original in a box .
The blower motor is a compromise , I think . Its compression ratio should be lower , the cams should be cams made for use with blowers , etc .
The space around the motor looks like its all used up , how big a pain is it going to be to work on ?
what do you have to do to pull the plugs under the blower ?
For me , I'd rather put that money into gas , lube , tires and drive all over the place .
When I was a kid , I spent all my money on go fast stuf , spent my time working on the car instead of driving it . Looking back , I'm not sure that I would not have been better of if I had spent my time and money on actually going places with my cars .
I was at the Long Beach Grand prix 20 plus years ago , in the pre race race , a guy who had lost the use of his legs was racing a bunch of people in matched prepped toyotas . He was doing everything with his hands . They started him at the back of the pack . I watched him reel in everyone and pass them . It was beautiful to watch this "disabled" guy . He knew how to drive . It was then that I first understood , skill beats h.p. .
03-03-2006, 01:39 PM
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http://www.geocities.com/protomotive/
Call them up and talk to them. Last time I talked to them, they were willing to put together a kit so that I could do a self-install.
I went down this road before, unfortunately the household expenses got in the way. I still keep thinking how much more fun my car would be with a couple hundred more horses.
Good luck on the decision.
Call them up and talk to them. Last time I talked to them, they were willing to put together a kit so that I could do a self-install.
I went down this road before, unfortunately the household expenses got in the way. I still keep thinking how much more fun my car would be with a couple hundred more horses.
Good luck on the decision.
03-03-2006, 01:51 PM
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Indy, but it is skill AND HP that the world lusts after. 
I know I have spent many an hour daydreaming about having a few extra ponies.
Besides, we need a few extra HP just to keep up with the modern cars.
I know I have spent many an hour daydreaming about having a few extra ponies.
Besides, we need a few extra HP just to keep up with the modern cars.