heliolps2

Hey there

I now owe a 92 964 turbo, And I have owned 964 cab and 993 cab. If you could which one would you own 964 or 964 Turbo and why, Pro's and con's ?

Helio

mark lintott

errr......964 Turbo-LOOK..

Mark

peterpullin

Marine Blue

cobalt

Turbo hands down. The C2 is more engaging and nimble but nothing like the rush the turbo offers.

Greg Wolfe

I can't keep my hands off a car. I modify all of my cars and I am not sure I could let myself do that with a turbo. I guess all of my mods on my Turbo-Look are reversible so it doesn't really matter. For me, I think it would be a stressful ownership, but that could all be relative to income. If I made twice as much, would I feel the same? Not sure. I think the car is SO badass and would be an absolute hoot to drive.

Mr. Wolfe

911Jetta

Non-Turbo, in both narrow or wide form. The lighter the better also.

Given the engine layout, I love the way a normally aspirated flat six responds and handles on curvy mountain roads.
Turbos seem to be more point and shoot. Fun in a straight line, but difficult to time on the back roads.

Greg Wolfe

Agree. There is no right answer or one answer that is correct for everyone.

Mr. Wolfe

John McM

urquattro20Vt

Different strokes...different folks. Never driven a NA 964 - but if you are in the right gear the turbo motor is incredibly responsive with immediate power. Incredibly fun in the twisties - whether it's a canyon or scenic byway. That said I'd take any of them. Do prefer wide body tho.

Brandon
'91 911 Turbo

cobalt

And they call me crazy. Any 964 is a fantastic experience but I found I needed to build my own. The turbo is such a unique experience. With a few bolt on tweaks they are amazing but very on/off compared to the C2 a true drivers car requiring far more shifting. Going beyond the question asked a well setup widebody with narrow body rear suspension and all the extras is an entirely different animal. Boosted or high revving with short gearbox preferably some 993 components and you will know why people like singers, for far less coin. I wish I made my track car more street friendly but I might need to build a street version one day. The 3.8RS clone for the street with a bit more go and some newer 993 components would be my ideal 964, or sports car of any vintage.

BLACK3.2

Turbo Jonny

heliolps2

The reason I started this thread was because I have noticed the prices on a really clean low mile 964 NA coupes have reached 964 Turbo territory, Soon you will have a choice if you're in the market for a 964 P Car. This should be interesting to see how the market plays out.

cobalt

[/QUOTE]To put it in simplest terms the turbo is a great car. It was built for high speed stability. More the autobahn cruiser than the NB cars. The wide track is great at high speeds. The faster you go the more comfortable and stable the car feels. The NB C2 becomes a bit squirmy at high speeds in comparison especially with the pop up tail. The issue with the turbo is the rear trailing arms. They are huge and far heavier in comparison and when you drive on less than perfect roads they are slow at reacting in comparison. The turbo has a harder time keeping rear traction on imperfect surfaces and this becomes apparent when driving them back to back something I have the luxury of doing. So what I find is the NB cars are more nimble and handle rough surfaces better not quite as well as a 993 but they also have that old school feel and handling the 993 is missing by being more refined.

The turbo also has that long gearing and the added effect of the boost that makes it feel more GT3 like in the way the power comes on. You do not shift the car as often and in many cases just put you foot down and the car launches you forward with a vengeance. A few bolt on mods and the power is intense and is much faster than the numbers show. On back roads you don't need to shift as much to keep the power up and is more point and shoot in comparison.

I built my track car as a tribute to the 3.8RS. It has the narrow body rear suspension and uses the turbo outboard front settings. I also included 993 longitudinals which push the front out an additional 12.5mm per side along with 993 RS/EVO uprights and 993 RS brakes all around. This required other 993 parts to make it work as well. In this case I sourced a 993 N/A engine that had a protomotive twin turbo setup and a 993 6 speed box with all short gears and 40/60 LSD. Lightened to 2650 pounds dry it has all the benefits of the NB and WB cars the power of a turbo and the gearing similar to a C2 so it requires more interaction than the 964 turbo 3.6 to keep up the power and if I drive it on the street it is an amazing car albeit a bit rough for local roads, On track the car is capable of far more than I am. I am gradually picking back up the pace as I get accustomed to GT3RS speeds out of a 964 although I have been spending the past few months making changes. running 9.5" wide front wheels with 265's and no power steering was a bit more than my wife liked so I am adding a cup car electric power steering pump. I am also reworking the engine changing compression and tuning it with a stand alone ECU. As much fun as both the C2 and turbo 3.6 are on the street this car is really in a league of its own in comparison. There is no noticeable lag has ridiculous power and handling. I am currently running a NLA H&R cup car suspension but plan to switch to MCS 3 way to make it even more compliant and enjoyable. Ideally I would love to build another with less focus on track and more on street but finding a donor is tough and i can't justify cutting up clean examples. So for now I will live with what I have.

PS I have no doubt if this was put up against a singer it would make minced meet out of it.