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Has anyone dealt with the dealer Luck Driver out in South FL? I am new to the forum. Looking for a well sorted 964 C2. Thanks
Abey
Don't know them. What car are you looking at. A well sorted 964 is hard to find and quite pricey. There is a gray one on BaT that someone through a lot of money at. The red one they have is an early M64-01 engine so you need to find out what if anything has been done regarding the TSB 9404. I would start reading here there are a lot of things to learn and the more you know about these cars the easier it is to not get burned. There were very few coupes made and even fewer remaining so most of what is for sale is either very pricey or needs lots of work. GL Your in a large pool of lookers with very few quality cars for sale.
........ There were very few coupes made and even fewer remaining so most of what is for sale is either very pricey or needs lots of work. GL Your in a large pool of lookers with very few quality cars for sale......
Cobalt speaks the truth. No such thing as a good deal on a 964 any more. If it is well sorted it will be big bucks. If it is not, it will still be rather expensive. If it is well sorted it will still need a ton of work over time. They are all close to 30 years old. I've only had mine for about three years and have put a solid $5,000 + per year into it. I bought it knowing I would do so and fully expect to continue to spend that kind of money and more every year for the next few years to get it the way I want it. This is my 3rd Porsche and when I bought it I was driving a 991. But I REALLY wanted a 964. Still do and I don't regret the purchase or the money I continue to spend on it. But I went in expecting this. I think other potential buyers should too. GL with your search and please post photos when you buy one.
Cobalt speaks the truth. No such thing as a good deal on a 964 any more. If it is well sorted it will be big bucks. If it is not, it will still be rather expensive. If it is well sorted it will still need a ton of work over time. They are all close to 30 years old. I've only had mine for about three years and have put a solid $5,000 + per year into it. I bought it knowing I would do so and fully expect to continue to spend that kind of money and more every year for the next few years to get it the way I want it. This is my 3rd Porsche and when I bought it I was driving a 991. But I REALLY wanted a 964. Still do and I don't regret the purchase or the money I continue to spend on it. But I went in expecting this. I think other potential buyers should too. GL with your search and please post photos when you buy one.
Just out of curiosity, is this expense due to repairs/maintencee, or optional mods/preventative work? I've had my 964 for 6 months so far and reliability wise it's been absolutely flawless, but I will admit I've gone off the deep end in mods to make it my own.
A Porsche that has deferred maintenance is still a fantastic car to drive, not to be elitist but if you have never driven a sorted car (nothing is fully sorted) you would think your car is right from the factory; perfect. Suspension components, motor mounts, oil lines, belts, hoses, brakes, tires, are not sexy and often ignored in favor of cosmetics. But they sure do make a difference and sadly, shop rates and parts have not declined since the car was new. The above can easily add up to $12k. And the car looks still exactly the same.
Maybe there is a slight leak, a few drops on the garage floor; no difference to performance but annoying if chronic. Could be minor but knowing these cars, could be fairly intensive; reseal being the gold standard: $10k. But then, you've been reading up here and now you have acute "while you're in there" disease. $20k rolls around shockingly quickly.
The A/C isn't really spitting out ice cubes and besides, when on, it makes an annoying squeaking noise. The sunroof seals are peeling, there is water in the car floor when it rains, hood shocks are shot and there is no tool kit and the spare is crap. $2k.
What fluids are in the car? Does ANYONE other than Anthony check them? Trans, diff, power steering. $500
What clutch/flywheel? These are the Rumsfeld "known unknowns". Did you want a chattering Single mass, if so add $4k.
You could easily add $30k to your PP without significantly trying nor adding any mods; $50k is indeed the new $80k. I always prefer buying a car "done" but I know the unknown knowns still add up; there is NO such thing as "fully sorted". That is an English second hand car dealer's term, adopted by us here, and means "you can probably get all the way home without drama".
I picked up my Targa about 18 months ago (crazy how time flies) and I refuse to add up my receipts. The suspension upgrade started off as a small and manageable project but quickly snowballed into a nearly complete rebuild of the suspension. No regrets though, that absolutely transformed the car.
The Targa top was another one for me, what started off as wanting to eliminate the air leak in the front resulted in a complete rebuild of the top and new seals in the roll hoop to the tune of $2200!
I don’t know why but I feel like I need three sets of wheels for this car depending on my mood, never had that happen before.
So yeah some of the expense isn’t necessary but the thought of paying labor twice is a difficult pill to swallow so you quickly go down the WYAIT rabbit hole with any new project.
I don’t know why but I feel like I need three sets of wheels for this car depending on my mood, never had that happen before.
YES!!! I thought I was the only crazy person who thinks like this. For me it's Cup 1s...Speedlines...and D90s...all for different moods. Have 2/3 secured, lol.
LOL. It is amazing how the 964 has become the Swan. People laughed years ago when you might suggest these cars would be worth anything. The dark years when perfectly good cars were chopped up for parts and a healthy profit made. The 964 is far from the hyper cars of today. I put some serious miles on a tesla P100D a few weeks back. 0-60 in 2.5 seconds on par with these beauties.
I unknowingly hit 108 in about the same as my turbo maybe a bit quicker but the numbest drive I have ever had the displeasure of driving, the model 3 was much better but felt like a Disney ride with no excitement. It is not the numbers but the experience and IMO very few cars can offer the experience a 964 or any air cooled 911 can. ^^^ these cars are amazing and incredibly capable but I prefer to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
Just out of curiosity, is this expense due to repairs/maintencee, or optional mods/preventative work? I've had my 964 for 6 months so far and reliability wise it's been absolutely flawless, but I will admit I've gone off the deep end in mods to make it my own.
Both but I would say the majority has been catching up with neglected maint.
Since I have owned it. And as you can see from line 2, it came with just under $6800 of receipts for recent work done.
05/13/17
59,936
Added 1 Quart of Valvoline Oil
$9.99
Current Total
$6806.47
5/14/17
60,038
Ordered door pcket re-enforcement from Bradley Sahr
$12.00
5/21/17
60,038
Car ran great yesterday and we went to Pelican Parts C&C and then ran errands. I had two new keys cut and they work great. But the lock on the drivers side started to spin. So today I pulled the door panel off, and the door handle and cleaned everything. The screw that holds the lock in was loose (common problem) I applied lock-tite and put everything back together. I also order some of the fasteners that are missing throughout the car. The key blanks and heads were right at $100 from eBay along with the tools to remove and check the radio antenna so I added that to the PP total.
$212.28
5/21/17
60,038
Replaced worn and faded Tip shift gate with a leather boot.
$79.98
5/22/17
60,038
Installed Becker CDR 220 with modified display (by jcorenman) to work better in this car.
$50.00
5/25/17
60,038
Installed solid-state pump prime DME from Focus Nine Technology. Car did not have any starting issues. Kept the old DME for a spare.
$66.79
5/27/17
60,038
Installed new Idle Control Valve. I had attempted to clean the old one with carb cleaner but once I re-stalled it did not work. The new one is golden. Car idles perfect at 750 rpm and does not waiver AC on or off.
$178.43
6/1/27
60,038
Discovered the center control panels for the rear spoiler and the Hazard/Lock,! Switches had broken ears and were just sitting in the console. Ordered new ones from Autobahn Dismantling. I have not installed them as I might have them hydro dipped CF.
$312.67
6/6/17
60,038
Discovered cracked trim panel on front of driver door. Dealer had tried to glue it. Ordered that plus clear reflectors for the front as well as elephant racing 5mm spacers for the front wheels and H&R 21 mm spacers for the rears.
Power washed all the wheel wells. Looks much better now but the passenger side valve cover appears to be leaking. So much for the receipt stating it had been re-sealed.
Also found more missing screws and nuts and bolts. SV Motorsports is a total HACK. Clearly horrible mechanics but I was told the owner Stephan did all the work. I have a VERY low opinion of him.
$350.39
6/8/17
60,038
Ordred G pipe and center console e-brake tray from FVD. (I think I broke the original one when I installed the bin in place of the cassette holder.) I might also have this hydro dipped CF.
$145.08
6/8/17
60,038
Received heavy duty frunk strunts
$53.97
6/9/17
60,038
Installed wheel spacers. Looks much better.
N/A
6/9/17
60,038
Received RED tail light tint kit from Rennlister Gus Franke. Hope I don’t mess up the install.
$53.00
Current Total
But mine is “only” $1514.59
$8321.06
6/10/17
60,042
Ordered clear turn signal lenses from John McMillan on Rennlist. They are coming from New Zealand.
Installed passenger side frunk strut.
$114.57
6/17/17
60,042
Installed driver side frunk strut with Tyler’s help
N/A
6/24/17
60,042
Installed clear lenses in the front and the red tint on the rear.
N/A
7/1/17
60,083
Installed chrome/amber running lights.
Replaced e-brake tray
Hooked up radio to FACTORY amplified antenna and it works great!
Installed G-Pipe
N/A
7/24/17
60,152
60,000 Service
Transmission flush
PS system flush with new belt and lines
New Dizzy belt
New Oil Pressure Sender
Adjust Driver side window frame
Repair oil leak
Autowerkes in Huntington Beach
$4750.87
7/24/17
60.152
Installed used 10 spoke mag wheels and tires from 2002 Carrera
Sold the D90s that were on it for $600 to MarineBlue
Also sold the 21mm spacers to a guy in Canada and used the 5mm that where on the front in the rear with these rims. $1,800.00
$1,200.00
1/1/18
60,750
Removed rear blower motor and install RS tube.
$160.00
Swapped out relay in engine fuse block
$35.77
1/27/18
60,890
Installed T-Lock remote door lock system
$95.00
Installed new door strap kit on driver door
$47.85
5/11/18
61,426
It’s my Birthday!!!!! I got an aluminum gas cap!
Present
6/1/18
61,458
Replace PS high pressure line, PS Rack boots, cooling fan, alternator, added Rennsport PS rack bushings and bar. Changed oil and filter, all new belts – also the airbag light had come on about a week earlier. Sergio put it on the scantool and it said driver air bag. The steering wheel was off center once he finished his work on it so he removed and re-centered the wheel. Looks like a P/O removed the steering wheel and F’d it up putting it back on. Hopefully we have no further problems.
Game-Face in Whittier
Car runs GREAT and tracks straight. The more stuff I do to it the better it runs and the more I like it.
$2,562.80
7/23/18
61,732
Airbag and Seatbelt lights came on again. Pulled clock and fuel/oil level gauges and sent them to NHWD Speedometer to have them rebuilt. The glass on the fuel gauge was a bit wonky so I sent it along with the clock. Often the electrical connections in the clock cause these lights to illuminate. Noted that the current clock is from 04/97 so this is not the first time this problem has occurred. Got the gauges back on 7/26/18 and took the car to GameFace to have the computer re-set. Hopefully this is the end of those lights.
$755.61
10/26/18
61,969
Smog Check = Passed
$57.25
11/2/18
62,018
Rear Wiper Delete, (Window plug = $30) Installed Blaupunkt 6X9 Type R speakers ($250) in rear deck
$280.00
11/9/18
62,052
Sleepers Speed Shop for AC line mods, cerekote various parts, AC R&R
$3387.08
And I just made an appointment to get the windows tinted tomorrow for another $800
01-13-2019, 11:56 AM
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