cobalt

The problem with charts like that is they don't indicate condition, accident damage, engine rebuild, respray, etc, etc. It doesn't mean much without knowing the history of the vehicle.

misterbeverlyhills

I agree, so much about the cars are subjective and besides, desirability changes over time( no one seems to want a black car these days).

Graphs are great, just not for cars......women.....wine......

Mooty's white car went at a $70k ask, the Jap import in a great color went for $85k plus buyer premium. I bet Mooty's is a MUCH better car.

Point is, that white 993 with stunning blue interior (but lousy wheels) is a steal at $39k, almost half Mooty's 964.

james.fox

Completely agree. However, always think its good to have some level of quantitative data as a baseline, and you qualitatively adjust from there. With cars like these, qualitative is always > quantitative. Also kind of fun to see trends and popularity shifts over time.

Here are links to two fftfk posts (most recent is first).
https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...-analysis.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...-analysis.html

Bigsix964

Marine Blue

Bigsix964

cobalt

AFAIK there were no C4 Tips. There is only one tip trans and it wouldn't work in a C4. Data is always good to have but even Hagerty which makes a huge effort to track auction pricing has no clue to current value of these cars. Their valuation system works better for more mass produced cars. Small volume cars like the 964 are usually either too high or too low. They have the 3.3l 964 turbo valued for more money than the 94 3.6T 964 even though they don't note it as a 94 but a 93. In actuality a pristine 3.6T will usually sell for double that of a pristine 3.3T. Although there are far more pristine 3.3L's that come up for sale at auction than 3.6T's which usually sell privately skewing the data.

I sold my pristine 1974 2.0L 914 back in 2002. I had a tire kicker look the car over and argue with me how Anderson's Valuation for my car in Excellence magazine was only $5200. I was asking $10k. I laughed and he insisted i was out of my mind. I sold the car a week later for $9500 and it sold again a year after that for $15k. I bumped into him a year later he had purchased a car for $4400 and he admitted he had to put $4k into it to get it to run right. When I looked at the car it was a complete turd vs my car which was in Concours condition.

When/if you find a clean original car that needs nothing or little I wouldn't hesitate to pay the price. Data is nice but it is hard to quantify value.

canuck964

"When/if you find a clean original car that needs nothing or little I wouldn't hesitate to pay the price. Data is nice but it is hard to quantify value."

This is so true.

Harold

Fashion is a fickle thing. Not so long ago the 964 was the red headed step child and now its gods gift to 911s. Wonder what's next. Either way they are all great cars.... And to me the 964 and the 993 are the best of the air cooled. But values are only for the moment and flip back and forth depending on trends. The old school outlaw theme is currently driving 964s. A little while back it was the forward date movement that drove 993 prices up. Not holding my breath to see what comes next to once again mess up prices.

Marine Blue

cobalt

The mid engine cars are great and very capable but will never replace the air cooleds for me and most I know. I don't see anything changing much from where it sits in the air cooled world. The only change i foresee is the values of cars based on condition. The nice cars commanding more and the damaged goods less. There is no changing the production numbers or numbers remaining which seems to have more influence on the market than anything.

I am seeing more and more interest in other marques and the earlier water cooled Porsche's which seems to be the hot markets on the rise. The earlier 928's are seeing a huge jump in value.

Norse_man

LAcarguy

Don't hold your breath. No offence.

I am loathe to take the 964 out in anything resembling traffic. When the tail is up, pretty much anything wants to drag race with me. I am looking to get a 90s M3 to have some fun with at a low entry price. I would have preferred a 996 but it seems every one is black/silver/grey or red. Anything blue or interesting color then has a light grey or beige interior. Is there a puke icon?
I drove a 2015 911 today with PDK. Awesome. Makes the 964 feel like a bi-plane next to a F-16. But you have to drive the 964, the 911 ( I forget what it is 991.1234 or something,) you just punch in the coordinates. I drove it along Mulholland drive's old racecourse and hammered it. It didn't flinch. If you superimposed the film like they do on downhill ski races on TV, the 2015 driver would be sunning himself on the hood when the 964 crossed the line.
You can't see out the sides but it's OK, there is a camera plus warning bongs. Question is: when you buy one, do they suck out half your brain?

cobalt

DId anyone see the 90 targa roller on BaT bring $16k for a tub and tranny. I have perfect G64 tranny and I can't sell it for anything yet this brought huge money. It would have been cheaper to spend up for a decent targa or cab and convert it than what it will cost to build this back to something that resembles a car. I miss the days you could buy a full project car complete for $10k

TKO

It does take the fun out of it doesn't it. I always think about the original paint Signal Yellow '71 911S I bought in 2001, took it home for $17K and thought I overpaid. Oh man, I just realized I sound like my father.