Automatic coupe 964 Value/price?
06-19-2018, 01:14 PM
#1
Automatic coupe 964 Value/price?
hi guys, I'm debating my 964 purchase options again and with every passing year feel like I may be getting priced out of the manual market for the ideal 964. I'm coming to the realization that pursuing an automatic might be my best option as I want to customize the car with rotiforms, lowering kit, etc. and that will be pricey. Auto coupes don't seem to come up too often here but can they still be had in the low to mid 30's? Would have to be black in color and hopefully as close to sub 100k miles as possible but really depends on condition more then anything. With so many people going for manual's I was hoping maybe to find a decent deal somewhere that would leave some cash left over to make it my own. I know my post is vague but Just looking for thoughts/ opinions. Thanks
Last edited by TravisRT1985; 06-19-2018 at 01:36 PM. Reason: adding details
06-19-2018, 02:14 PM
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here's my thinking on the tips lately. buy a nice tip - there are some great options out there for colors - and do the 993/6sp gearbox swap. i know the tranny is not cheap, but how involved/expensive would the necessary mods be?? the 6sp swap into the 964 is a great mod, but i'm wondering what else would have to be done, if anything, to allow for it. anyone ever gone this route?? 
06-19-2018, 02:54 PM
#4
Wish it were just that easy JesusFast. Maybe if it's a C4 1989-1990...maybe. Wish these prices were more feasible for me without going in debt. I'm not even sure what a "nice" black tip coupe would cost. Been away from the market for a little while
06-19-2018, 03:54 PM
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Tiptronic Coupes...
First, I am avid Porscephile and have owned quite a few over the years (1986 Targa, 1988 ST backdate coupe, 2011 GT3, 2007 Targa) and currently own a 1986 930 all original (48K miles) and '92 C2 Tiptronic that I just purchased a couple of months ago with 115k documented miles.
I love the manual transmission experience, especially in the air-cooled generations. Still enjoy it in the 930!
But recently, I decided I wanted to try the Tiptronic in the 964. It turns out, Porsche invested quite a bit in development when they put their first tiptronic transmission (originally from the 962 le mans program) into the 911. The transmission has five programs which the transmission ECU selects based on a number of sensor inputs. Here's a post where I go into detail on the car's facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...57423504930932
The car is absolutely an outstanding drive and the transmission, once you realize how to drive it, is more than capable.
Take your time looking for a no stories fully documented example. Mileage on the air-cooled motors is not an issue as these cars where over engineered for the road. With a solid documented service history, these engines will run well into the 200k+ range before needing valves and/or top end work (My father owned a 1980 911 SC which had well over 248K miles and had never had the case apart).
As a collector, I think the tiptronic Coupe's are a spectacular sports car, whether going up into the canyons or the open road.
If you're going to track the car on a regular basis, then the manual would be my choice...of course I haven't gotten the '92 out for a track day yet. Stay tuned.
I love the manual transmission experience, especially in the air-cooled generations. Still enjoy it in the 930!
But recently, I decided I wanted to try the Tiptronic in the 964. It turns out, Porsche invested quite a bit in development when they put their first tiptronic transmission (originally from the 962 le mans program) into the 911. The transmission has five programs which the transmission ECU selects based on a number of sensor inputs. Here's a post where I go into detail on the car's facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...57423504930932
The car is absolutely an outstanding drive and the transmission, once you realize how to drive it, is more than capable.
Take your time looking for a no stories fully documented example. Mileage on the air-cooled motors is not an issue as these cars where over engineered for the road. With a solid documented service history, these engines will run well into the 200k+ range before needing valves and/or top end work (My father owned a 1980 911 SC which had well over 248K miles and had never had the case apart).
As a collector, I think the tiptronic Coupe's are a spectacular sports car, whether going up into the canyons or the open road.
If you're going to track the car on a regular basis, then the manual would be my choice...of course I haven't gotten the '92 out for a track day yet. Stay tuned.
06-19-2018, 04:02 PM
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Thank you for the info. If anyone has an idea what the price difference between the manuals and tips are please feel free to chime in. Is a clean documented Auto available in the mid 30k range? What is the price point for a non black/grey car ? I'm not really sure what current market values are.
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06-19-2018, 04:31 PM
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Hey TravisRT1985,
A all original well maintained C2 Coupe will likely fall between mid+ $40K range (or higher for a low mileage example - sub 60K miles).
For a comparable Tiptronic you can expect to pay 10% less. Solid all original paint, unmolested interior, with no accidents and a fully documented service history will sell for low 40's on a Tip and mid to high $40's for a manual.
A all original well maintained C2 Coupe will likely fall between mid+ $40K range (or higher for a low mileage example - sub 60K miles).
For a comparable Tiptronic you can expect to pay 10% less. Solid all original paint, unmolested interior, with no accidents and a fully documented service history will sell for low 40's on a Tip and mid to high $40's for a manual.
06-19-2018, 05:20 PM
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A all original well maintained C2 Coupe will likely fall between mid+ $40K range (or higher for a low mileage example - sub 60K miles).
Solid all original paint, unmolested interior, with no accidents and a fully documented service history will sell for low 40's on a Tip and mid to high $40's for a manual.
Solid all original paint, unmolested interior, with no accidents and a fully documented service history will sell for low 40's on a Tip and mid to high $40's for a manual.
06-19-2018, 06:17 PM
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06-19-2018, 07:31 PM
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Soon enough the tips will cost the same if not more when the younger gen don't know how to drive a manual, and the demand for tips will sky rocket.Just saying 
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06-19-2018, 08:36 PM
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I know the tip has a "bad" reputation but I agree that driving at tip can be just as much fun. If I had a choice between driving a tip of not driving a 964 at all, I'll take a tip any day.
I have been driving a '91 Targa tip for almost 10?years now and I don't regret a minute of it.
I have been driving a '91 Targa tip for almost 10?years now and I don't regret a minute of it.
06-19-2018, 09:05 PM
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I've had my '90 C2 TIP since 2002 and regularly track it. I'm in an advanced group, and hold my own against MOST cars, not the GT3's and raced prepped ones.
Take a a look at a video at the Glen from 2013. As stated before, the TIP changes the shift pattern to the most aggressive in less than a lap. If this link doesn't work, go to YouTube "TUTALOU at the Glen 2013"
Take a a look at a video at the Glen from 2013. As stated before, the TIP changes the shift pattern to the most aggressive in less than a lap. If this link doesn't work, go to YouTube "TUTALOU at the Glen 2013"
06-19-2018, 09:20 PM
#15
Very cool Lou a question for you. Do you just put it in drive and let the trans controller handle the shifting?
when driving my 91 Tip Coupe in a spirited manor I tend to let the controller handle the upshifts and a combination of the manual gate and throttle control for the down shifts.
when driving my 91 Tip Coupe in a spirited manor I tend to let the controller handle the upshifts and a combination of the manual gate and throttle control for the down shifts.
I've had my '90 C2 TIP since 2002 and regularly track it. I'm in an advanced group, and hold my own against MOST cars, not the GT3's and raced prepped ones.
Take a a look at a video at the Glen from 2013. As stated before, the TIP changes the shift pattern to the most aggressive in less than a lap. If this link doesn't work, go to YouTube "TUTALOU at the Glen 2013"
https://youtu.be/RwdCbRFPBWk
Take a a look at a video at the Glen from 2013. As stated before, the TIP changes the shift pattern to the most aggressive in less than a lap. If this link doesn't work, go to YouTube "TUTALOU at the Glen 2013"
https://youtu.be/RwdCbRFPBWk