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Hi, I have run in to an issue where after installing the 10 mm OEM revised steering stops (for 17inch + wheels) my Elephant Racing Bump Steer kit runs out of threads on outer tie rods. Can't shorten the rods anymore. Can't reach 0-0 toe. Going toe-out is impossible.
Steering rack is centered, all bushings are new.
Their page mentions 964 in the header https://www.elephantracing.com/porsc...-rods-for-993/ but the OE parts equivalents are not 964. I checked the PET numbers for 964 then suppliers and they are still 964 numbers i.e. there isn’t a 993 upgrade. Is it possible that the 964 reference is a typo and this kit is intended only for 993s?
I just looked they list seperate part numbers for the 964 and 993 kits aybe he hit a 993 kit instead of the 964 kit
Originally Posted by John McM
Their page mentions 964 in the header https://www.elephantracing.com/porsc...-rods-for-993/ but the OE parts equivalents are not 964. I checked the PET numbers for 964 then suppliers and they are still 964 numbers i.e. there isn’t a 993 upgrade. Is it possible that the 964 reference is a typo and this kit is intended only for 993s?
The stops are in their correct position. Putting them the other way wouldn't change anything since the inner part (on rod spacer) is still 6mm, like the original pre-update steering lock. Also, both the Elephant part and steering gear fits inside the raised collar, so you ever only add 6mm of spacing in the old and new version. I checked my order and it is the 964 part number. I threw out the packaging, but from what I remember there were no markings on the outside or inside of the clear bag. There were 2 bags, one for each kit. No part number slip in it either. The instructions were made for 964 and 993 together, but I assume that is to save on paper.
I was thinking to machine more threads on to the rod, but there is a significant narrowing after the threads and I'm afraid the locking nut could easily cross-thread. Only remaining option is to grind off some material from tie rods itself to allow more threads to go inside.
Emailed Elephant Racing about the issue. Seems like the easy solution for them is to machine more threads o to the rod.
same issues some weeks ago with the elefant tie rods.
Cut another 15mm thread to the tie rods and cut the overall-length of the tie rod roughly 10mm... worked fine so far...
the spacers work as steering stops in the steering rack. They limit the travel that the steering rack has. They go on the steering rack turning shaft before the tie rods are installed and fit inside the rubber cover on each end of the steering rack.
I don't have any pictures from install, but the placement of the stops is correct. Inside the rubber boots on the shaft with collar facing the steering rack. 6mm on the rod + 4mm of collar (not adding to the shaft length. Untill I hear from Elephant I won't do any modifications. For now I moved the steering gear off center to gain some threads on the right side. That left me with 1mm of thread each side, crooked steering wheel but I'm 0-0 on toe finally.
seems like ER made these for 993 but didn't consider narrower profile for 964 due to using inner a arm links one eyou add the rack spacers.
I had a similar issue with mine when i converted to the 993 uprights and front end, but ERP knew which parts to sell me with this setup.
You'll need to shorten rod and add more threads. if ER doesn't offer a solution getting a machine shop to fix it won't be difficult. just ensure the rod end has sufficient threading inside to accept the longer threads or cut the end off as mentioned above.
In your first post you say that you ran out of adjustment on the outside end of the ER numb stop set up after you installed the steering limit spacers. Did you have the ER product installed prior to installing steering limit spacers? We’re you able to get the settings you wanted for toe?? Or did you install all at the same time?? And now have this issue??
Second the possibility that they sent the wrong parts. I recently bought one of their 935 X braces, and the front fender bolt brackets were about 1” too short. I drove myself crazy for about 2 hours trying to figure out what went wrong. Finally called them the following Monday and got it all sorted out. They sent me the correct 5” ones within about 4 days.
In your first post you say that you ran out of adjustment on the outside end of the ER numb stop set up after you installed the steering limit spacers. Did you have the ER product installed prior to installing steering limit spacers? We’re you able to get the settings you wanted for toe?? Or did you install all at the same time?? And now have this issue??
Yes, I had the ER parts installed without the steering limiters. I had the settings I wanted and enough adjustment to go toe out. Problem I run in to with this setup was the rubbing of tires on inner fenders and possible misalignment on pressure passages in the steering rack on left and right lock. After installing the stops I effectively added 12mm to the length of the rods and run out of threads.
To add to this whole ordeal I found the new poly bushing to be cracking on the surface, only after 2 weeks of driving. It must be a problem with the poly mix because the other bushing is just fine. Emailed the manufacturer to find out what's going on.
Question: Is it even worth going poly on these? Are there any other bushing choices (other than this and OEM)?
I’ve been running the poly rack bushings for three years now, and they still look like new. Where did you source yours from? I don’t know if someone is making a knock-off, but this is the original manufacturer as far as I know- http://www.ricochetpt.com/
05-26-2018, 03:22 PM
Elephant Racing Bump Steer issue.
