Why is my gas mileage so crappy?
02-08-2018, 07:48 PM
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Why is my gas mileage so crappy?
I didn't buy this car because I wanted to save money on gas. I would have kept my Honda... but... i used to get 300 kms on the half way mark then get to about 500kms before the light would go on. I would be driving mostly highway doing this of course. In fact got just shy of 650kms running on fumes before i did the rebuild. Now i'm luck to get 225-250 at the halfway mark with the fuel light coming on about 400-425kms.
Some of the stuff i've done:
plugs, wires, rotors, hats, fresh distributor rebuild
coils -running msd
fuel - the 91 octane we get here in Toronto
Air Filter - EvoMS with K&N Cone
Exhaust - no cat, primary, no secondary
Emissions - passed with no problems (just thought i'd throw that in)
Ignition - all stock ECU with some 911 chip that came with the car... i've had this ten years now...
Am i running rich? doesn't smell like it and passed emissions....
Due to no Cat? Lack of back pressure from ditching the secondary? I cut the primary pipe and rewelded a tip roughly 90* directly out the back so looks more or less stock
thoughts?
Idle - purrs like a kitten though a slight hunt from 850 rpm to 900rpm every so often
Some of the stuff i've done:
plugs, wires, rotors, hats, fresh distributor rebuild
coils -running msd
fuel - the 91 octane we get here in Toronto
Air Filter - EvoMS with K&N Cone
Exhaust - no cat, primary, no secondary
Emissions - passed with no problems (just thought i'd throw that in)
Ignition - all stock ECU with some 911 chip that came with the car... i've had this ten years now...
Am i running rich? doesn't smell like it and passed emissions....
Due to no Cat? Lack of back pressure from ditching the secondary? I cut the primary pipe and rewelded a tip roughly 90* directly out the back so looks more or less stock
thoughts?
Idle - purrs like a kitten though a slight hunt from 850 rpm to 900rpm every so often
02-08-2018, 11:52 PM
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Did you pull the oxygen sensor when the converter came out? A failed (or missing) sensor might send the fuel injection computer into an open loop, full rich mode. Don’t know how that jives with passing an emissions test but might be a possibility.
02-09-2018, 08:34 PM
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all very good tips.
I'll check the brakes though 90% sure they are spinning freely.
I replaced o2 sensor brand new about a year ago and still have my cat only nothing inside it... doh!
I'm running 10w50 castrol edge synthetic... which is better than i was running. previously burning and spilling so much oil that i would just top up every 500kms so that might not be it.
Also the temps are cold here in the late fall, i haven't been driving much in the winter... even with my snow tires.... and didn't notice any change from summer to fall...
Thanks for the few things to check first...
I'll check the brakes though 90% sure they are spinning freely.
I replaced o2 sensor brand new about a year ago and still have my cat only nothing inside it... doh!
I'm running 10w50 castrol edge synthetic... which is better than i was running. previously burning and spilling so much oil that i would just top up every 500kms so that might not be it.
Also the temps are cold here in the late fall, i haven't been driving much in the winter... even with my snow tires.... and didn't notice any change from summer to fall...
Thanks for the few things to check first...
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02-11-2018, 10:49 PM
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It doesn’t look bad to me, but if you’re driving the exact same routes and notice a drop then something might be going on. If you let it idle to warm, then that would account for some of it. Cold start/warm up mix is very rich and it takes a while to warm all 12qts of oil. Winter fuel blends can also decrease mileage slightly, so I’ve heard. Any additional city driving mixed in to your routine will reduce mileage pretty quickly.
Personally, I’ve gotten anywhere from single-digit mpg (winter and all short trips in the city) to a consistent 22mpg for all highway at 80mph.
Personally, I’ve gotten anywhere from single-digit mpg (winter and all short trips in the city) to a consistent 22mpg for all highway at 80mph.
02-25-2018, 06:13 PM
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@djantlive
transmission oil - fresh less than 3,000 kms - synthetic blend
tire pressure - slightly high if anything but good point
fuel cleaner - i've removed all the fuel in the tank not too long ago.. say 4,000 kms ago. i make a 3 wire splice and plugged into the relay (that often dies) and the gas was all pumped out
i do have a fresh fuel pump also
@rocketrob - spark plugs - i had them all out and they were fresh at the time. i cleaned them lightly before installing and haven't checked em. perhaps on my valve adjustment which is coming out soon. Timing is set properly too... though i will have it checked again when doing the valve adjustment
transmission oil - fresh less than 3,000 kms - synthetic blend
tire pressure - slightly high if anything but good point
fuel cleaner - i've removed all the fuel in the tank not too long ago.. say 4,000 kms ago. i make a 3 wire splice and plugged into the relay (that often dies) and the gas was all pumped out
i do have a fresh fuel pump also
@rocketrob - spark plugs - i had them all out and they were fresh at the time. i cleaned them lightly before installing and haven't checked em. perhaps on my valve adjustment which is coming out soon. Timing is set properly too... though i will have it checked again when doing the valve adjustment
02-25-2018, 06:20 PM
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@mikeH - i will check my brand new o2 sensor because i've heard that brand new sensors have been found to be defective... same goes with crank position reference sensor and anything that bosch makes !! haha
@rocketrob - i have brand new fiveomotorsport injectors and serviced my bosch units. no difference. i currently have the bosch units in so will swap em out for the five-0 set.
would the msd coils make a difference vs the bosch units? .. i have both and currently run the msd. there has been some debate about using these and i've found the msd work fine. avoid the silver bosch and keep the black ones if they meet the spec resistance
i want the 20 miles per gallon days back!!
we do have the winter gas here in Toronto - and i run the 91 octane but could get the 93... thoughts on possible improvement here?
meantime, power is good, smells a little rich even after fully warmed up. i will put on dyno in the next few weeks.
Is there any use to try a bosch hammer reset and adaptation? i do have ever so slight hunt at idle. between 850 rpm and 925 rpm...
@rocketrob - i have brand new fiveomotorsport injectors and serviced my bosch units. no difference. i currently have the bosch units in so will swap em out for the five-0 set.
would the msd coils make a difference vs the bosch units? .. i have both and currently run the msd. there has been some debate about using these and i've found the msd work fine. avoid the silver bosch and keep the black ones if they meet the spec resistance
i want the 20 miles per gallon days back!!
we do have the winter gas here in Toronto - and i run the 91 octane but could get the 93... thoughts on possible improvement here?
meantime, power is good, smells a little rich even after fully warmed up. i will put on dyno in the next few weeks.
Is there any use to try a bosch hammer reset and adaptation? i do have ever so slight hunt at idle. between 850 rpm and 925 rpm...