1989 Porsche 944 Turbo with Lindsey 3 liter motor
10-29-2016, 09:08 PM
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1989 Porsche 944 Turbo with Lindsey 3 liter motor
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It pains me to no length to put this car up for sale. It was only driven from Atlanta to Chesapeake, VA upon pick up from Josh and thoroughly gone over by RL'er Jeff Curtis at his shop before being trailered to Maine. I have only had it out a handful of times in my 4 years of ownership. It has always been kept in my heated warehouse. I will check tomorrow for the mileage. It is truly a one of a kind vehicle. It looks the same as the pictures. I am selling because I have rarely had the time to take it out and need to help fund my wife's new medical practice. These have been going through the ceiling lately as there is a similar vehicle (without all the custom engine work) for $45,000 here on RL. I would like this to go to another enthusiast and after talking with some other enthusiasts have priced it at $35,000 OBO. I know if I were patient that it would bring more but my loss is your gain.
I am trailering it next week back down to Jeff's in Chesapeake, VA so it will be more centrally located. You will probably see an ad by Jeff here soon also. I'm sure between Jeff, Josh and myself we can answer any questions. With the amount of chrome in the engine bay and underneath it is probably more of a show car than a daily driver. And did I say fast? This thing is bat sh*t fast! It's the fastest Porsche I've ever driven. Jeff said when he drove it back to Chesapeake that he had a GTR and a 997TT challenged him and it wasn't even a race.
It pains me to no length to put this car up for sale. It was only driven from Atlanta to Chesapeake, VA upon pick up from Josh and thoroughly gone over by RL'er Jeff Curtis at his shop before being trailered to Maine. I have only had it out a handful of times in my 4 years of ownership. It has always been kept in my heated warehouse. I will check tomorrow for the mileage. It is truly a one of a kind vehicle. It looks the same as the pictures. I am selling because I have rarely had the time to take it out and need to help fund my wife's new medical practice. These have been going through the ceiling lately as there is a similar vehicle (without all the custom engine work) for $45,000 here on RL. I would like this to go to another enthusiast and after talking with some other enthusiasts have priced it at $35,000 OBO. I know if I were patient that it would bring more but my loss is your gain.
I am trailering it next week back down to Jeff's in Chesapeake, VA so it will be more centrally located. You will probably see an ad by Jeff here soon also. I'm sure between Jeff, Josh and myself we can answer any questions. With the amount of chrome in the engine bay and underneath it is probably more of a show car than a daily driver. And did I say fast? This thing is bat sh*t fast! It's the fastest Porsche I've ever driven. Jeff said when he drove it back to Chesapeake that he had a GTR and a 997TT challenged him and it wasn't even a race.
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10-31-2016, 04:35 PM
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Here is the original ad copy from Josh.
This is a 1989 944 turbo with 36,700 miles on it. At approximately 27,000 miles a 3 liter 8 valve motor was built and put in by Lindsey Racing. This motor is based on an S2 block with a Lindsey 8 valve Stage 3 turbo head. It has Mahle 968 turbo pistons and Pauter rods on a Magnafluxed, knife edged, balanced, cross drilled crank. Raceware head studs were used and a Widefire headgasket. The stage III head has Lindsey’s high velocity exhaust modification, titanium retainers and racing springs as well as the standard 1.88” stainless steel intake valves. The cam housing has a Webcam #457 with solid lifters and the Lindsey serial number #101. An adjustable cam gear was installed. In addition to the factory oil cooler a MOCAL is installed on the driver’s side of the car and runs in series.
The motor has the three piece Stage II SFR exhaust manifold and crossover going to a Vitesse Racing Stage V turbo. The spent air exits the car through a Tial 38mm wastegate and a SFR downpipe and 3” SFR cat pipe and exhaust with a Billett tip. Fuel comes in from a Bosch 044 fuel pump through a Lindsey rail with steel braided lines and adjustable FPR and into 83lb Siemens injectors. Spark is provided with a Vitesse electronic ignition Wasted Spark coil packs. Fresh air comes in through a Vitesse MAF controlled by a chipboard in the DME which can be adjusted with an SMT6 inside the car through a laptop along with ignition. A brand new engine harness was purchased and modified to accommodate the updated electronics. A SFR front mount intercooler cools the air down before it enters the head through a Lindsey intake manifold. The recirculating valve is a Turbonetics Godzilla model.
On the backside of the motor is a spec stage III clutch and aluminum flywheel. Power is transferred back to the stock 944 turbo S transmission with the factory limited slip differential. Lindsey Super Mounts bolt the motor to the car.
This car is riding on Bilstein Escort cup coil over suspension all the way around with deleted torsion bars in the rear and adjustable camber plates in the front. Billet Racers Edge caster blocks, spherical control arm bushings, banana arm spherical bushing, torsion tube carrier blocks and Elephant Racing PolyBronze suspension bushings were used. The front control arms and rear trailing arms were also polished. 968 M030 sways bars (30mm front and adjustable 19mm rear) help steady the car. In the rear on the sway bar billet mounts were used in the middle.
Big Red brake calipers on the factory M030 hubs and spindles are on the front of the car with cross drilled factory rotors and Lindsey Racing hats. The stock calipers are on the rear with cross drilled rotors as well. A 5/33 bias valve was installed to compensate for the larger front calipers.
The wheels are the RH 3.6 Speedline Style and are 18x10 in the rear and 18x8 in the front. Fairly new Kuhmo Ecsta XS tires all the way around – 225s and 265s. These tires have a treadwear rating of 180.
On the back of the car is a 1991 S2 hatch with an AIR 968 Turbo RS replica adjustable wing and factory trim pieces. Factory 968 door handles and mirrors were installed. The car has factory 968 stainless door sills and a powdercoated Redline bolt in rollbar. (mounts at the seat belt holes – no cutting needed) In the center console is a custom aluminum gauge panel with a VDO oil temp gauge. Also installed is a Zietronix ZT-2 that monitors and can log to a laptop A/F, boost, throttle position, MAF voltage signal, fuel pressure and EGT. Serial cable hooks-ups for the ZT-2 and SMT6 are installed in this panel as well as a knock counter pulling a signal from the factory KLR. The car is setup with a MAP to run E-85 and has a switch to activate that MAP in the gauge panel as well. Above the panel is a brand new Blaupunkt Toronto headunit with a hookup for an ipod or iphone to play music through the aux selection.
I have two keys for the car, a 16” factory 968 spare (needed to clear the big reds), the tool kit, jack and air pump. Also a big binder of records. http://www.bakody.com/Rennlist/TurboSRecords2.xls
The last dyno I did with this car it put down 372 rwhp at 17lbs of boost on pump gas.
o YouTube Video
It has an adjustable boost **** mounted under the glovebox for on the go changes to the setting. Running E-85 the boost could be turned up higher safely resulting in more power. The last compression check I did resulted in 1-132, 2-132, 3-146, 4-140.
This car original came out of New Jersey and although it has a clean carfax and title it was stolen at one point and recovered. In the process all of the VINs were removed from the car except for one. The hood and core support were replaced due to damage incurred. The original driver’s seat was replaced with a 4 way power factory sport seat and then I replaced the passenger seat with a matching 4 way power factory sport seat. The dash incurred a small cut in the middle although I have a perfect black 968 dash (identical) that I will include with the car.
This car is very aggressively built and really would be at home on the track. Because of the level of hardware used in its build it needs more attention and monitoring than a factory original car. The cam is very aggressive and the clutch takes some getting used to. I purchased it in October of 2010 out of Virginia with about 33,000 miles on it. I have spent a lot of time and money improving it but am ready to move on. This is not a perfect car however it did recently win 2nd place in class at a Peachstate Concours.
I have the original build bill from Lindsey Racing for over 37k plus another 6 or 7k in parts and work I’ve had done to the car. That is all in addition to the value of a low mileage 944 turbo S.
This is not a car to buy and not budget money to maintain - it is a street legal race car. The 3 liter motors are very expensive to build and are made up of very rare parts. This car is pushed to the limit in every way and will demand expensive upkeep in exchange for the fun factor. Currently the rear right wheel has a very slow leak and a very slight bend in the outer lip in one spot. The AC system is present but not working – I suspect the car needs a rebuilt compressor.
This is a 1989 944 turbo with 36,700 miles on it. At approximately 27,000 miles a 3 liter 8 valve motor was built and put in by Lindsey Racing. This motor is based on an S2 block with a Lindsey 8 valve Stage 3 turbo head. It has Mahle 968 turbo pistons and Pauter rods on a Magnafluxed, knife edged, balanced, cross drilled crank. Raceware head studs were used and a Widefire headgasket. The stage III head has Lindsey’s high velocity exhaust modification, titanium retainers and racing springs as well as the standard 1.88” stainless steel intake valves. The cam housing has a Webcam #457 with solid lifters and the Lindsey serial number #101. An adjustable cam gear was installed. In addition to the factory oil cooler a MOCAL is installed on the driver’s side of the car and runs in series.
The motor has the three piece Stage II SFR exhaust manifold and crossover going to a Vitesse Racing Stage V turbo. The spent air exits the car through a Tial 38mm wastegate and a SFR downpipe and 3” SFR cat pipe and exhaust with a Billett tip. Fuel comes in from a Bosch 044 fuel pump through a Lindsey rail with steel braided lines and adjustable FPR and into 83lb Siemens injectors. Spark is provided with a Vitesse electronic ignition Wasted Spark coil packs. Fresh air comes in through a Vitesse MAF controlled by a chipboard in the DME which can be adjusted with an SMT6 inside the car through a laptop along with ignition. A brand new engine harness was purchased and modified to accommodate the updated electronics. A SFR front mount intercooler cools the air down before it enters the head through a Lindsey intake manifold. The recirculating valve is a Turbonetics Godzilla model.
On the backside of the motor is a spec stage III clutch and aluminum flywheel. Power is transferred back to the stock 944 turbo S transmission with the factory limited slip differential. Lindsey Super Mounts bolt the motor to the car.
This car is riding on Bilstein Escort cup coil over suspension all the way around with deleted torsion bars in the rear and adjustable camber plates in the front. Billet Racers Edge caster blocks, spherical control arm bushings, banana arm spherical bushing, torsion tube carrier blocks and Elephant Racing PolyBronze suspension bushings were used. The front control arms and rear trailing arms were also polished. 968 M030 sways bars (30mm front and adjustable 19mm rear) help steady the car. In the rear on the sway bar billet mounts were used in the middle.
Big Red brake calipers on the factory M030 hubs and spindles are on the front of the car with cross drilled factory rotors and Lindsey Racing hats. The stock calipers are on the rear with cross drilled rotors as well. A 5/33 bias valve was installed to compensate for the larger front calipers.
The wheels are the RH 3.6 Speedline Style and are 18x10 in the rear and 18x8 in the front. Fairly new Kuhmo Ecsta XS tires all the way around – 225s and 265s. These tires have a treadwear rating of 180.
On the back of the car is a 1991 S2 hatch with an AIR 968 Turbo RS replica adjustable wing and factory trim pieces. Factory 968 door handles and mirrors were installed. The car has factory 968 stainless door sills and a powdercoated Redline bolt in rollbar. (mounts at the seat belt holes – no cutting needed) In the center console is a custom aluminum gauge panel with a VDO oil temp gauge. Also installed is a Zietronix ZT-2 that monitors and can log to a laptop A/F, boost, throttle position, MAF voltage signal, fuel pressure and EGT. Serial cable hooks-ups for the ZT-2 and SMT6 are installed in this panel as well as a knock counter pulling a signal from the factory KLR. The car is setup with a MAP to run E-85 and has a switch to activate that MAP in the gauge panel as well. Above the panel is a brand new Blaupunkt Toronto headunit with a hookup for an ipod or iphone to play music through the aux selection.
I have two keys for the car, a 16” factory 968 spare (needed to clear the big reds), the tool kit, jack and air pump. Also a big binder of records. http://www.bakody.com/Rennlist/TurboSRecords2.xls
The last dyno I did with this car it put down 372 rwhp at 17lbs of boost on pump gas.
o YouTube Video
It has an adjustable boost **** mounted under the glovebox for on the go changes to the setting. Running E-85 the boost could be turned up higher safely resulting in more power. The last compression check I did resulted in 1-132, 2-132, 3-146, 4-140.
This car original came out of New Jersey and although it has a clean carfax and title it was stolen at one point and recovered. In the process all of the VINs were removed from the car except for one. The hood and core support were replaced due to damage incurred. The original driver’s seat was replaced with a 4 way power factory sport seat and then I replaced the passenger seat with a matching 4 way power factory sport seat. The dash incurred a small cut in the middle although I have a perfect black 968 dash (identical) that I will include with the car.
This car is very aggressively built and really would be at home on the track. Because of the level of hardware used in its build it needs more attention and monitoring than a factory original car. The cam is very aggressive and the clutch takes some getting used to. I purchased it in October of 2010 out of Virginia with about 33,000 miles on it. I have spent a lot of time and money improving it but am ready to move on. This is not a perfect car however it did recently win 2nd place in class at a Peachstate Concours.
I have the original build bill from Lindsey Racing for over 37k plus another 6 or 7k in parts and work I’ve had done to the car. That is all in addition to the value of a low mileage 944 turbo S.
This is not a car to buy and not budget money to maintain - it is a street legal race car. The 3 liter motors are very expensive to build and are made up of very rare parts. This car is pushed to the limit in every way and will demand expensive upkeep in exchange for the fun factor. Currently the rear right wheel has a very slow leak and a very slight bend in the outer lip in one spot. The AC system is present but not working – I suspect the car needs a rebuilt compressor.
Last edited by 911 Crazy; 11-04-2016 at 12:19 PM.
10-31-2016, 11:21 PM
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Oh my goodness!!
11-01-2016, 04:11 PM
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Rolex, to the RAT Fink Troll that was here;stole it - then Not sure - then Josh - now 911 - who be next?
I was curious on the price too...great car but drove a new Gran Sport the other day with Magnetic Ride...
I was curious on the price too...great car but drove a new Gran Sport the other day with Magnetic Ride...
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11-01-2016, 10:25 PM
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20k? i'm insterested
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does it have a salvage title?
11-04-2016, 12:29 AM
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Does it have a salvage title? What kind of question is that?
The title I handed over to Tim (Georgia) was clear, and current title (Maine) is clear.
Tim can provide the VIN and you guys can pull a Carfax.
The car is being offered for $35K with a significant amount of work performed on it after Tim purchased it.
Offers of $20K are just unacceptable...we have almost $70K worth of receipts for the drive train mods alone.
The paint, body and interior are in exceptional condition...the tires will need to be replaced as they were a little hard last time I drove the car...they would glaze up at the top of 1st and 2nd gear.
Also, to correct Tim's story, when I drove it back to Chesapeake from Atlanta, around Clemson, I had someone in a 997TT Cab "taunt" me...after a few smiles and waves, he nailed it a fourth time, I popped down into 3rd gear and let him have it...he was a good three car lengths up on the jump and I sailed by him like he was NA. A few miles later, the low fuel light came on, I took the next exit and had to pump 93 octane in and fire up the laptop to go to the 93 octane tune...no E85 available for miles.
The HP difference was noticeable but the car was still damn fast.
While I was refueling, a guy pulled up next to me and said, "WHAT THE HELL does that thing have in it?? ...a V8"?? I replied, "Nope, just a lil' 4-cylinder" - turns out it was the guy in the 997TT Cabriolet, he saw me take the Clemson exit and he went up an exit, turned around and came looking for me.
Super nice guy, he was obviously blown away that a 944T blew him away. We talked for a few minutes and I got back on the road.
Up next was a fool in a new GTR outside of Charlotte, he wanted some too...do I need to explain what happened there?
Needless to say, the 10hr drive from Atlanta to Chesapeake was full of grins...this car is unbelievable, the people who are next to you at stop lights are just blown away.
It sounds good, it runs like a scalded dog and the looks, geez, fuhgeddaboudit...
I would imagine some of the engine and suspension components would need a nice treatment of neverdull, yes, the suspension is even polished to a satin aluminum finish.
The title I handed over to Tim (Georgia) was clear, and current title (Maine) is clear.
Tim can provide the VIN and you guys can pull a Carfax.
The car is being offered for $35K with a significant amount of work performed on it after Tim purchased it.
Offers of $20K are just unacceptable...we have almost $70K worth of receipts for the drive train mods alone.
The paint, body and interior are in exceptional condition...the tires will need to be replaced as they were a little hard last time I drove the car...they would glaze up at the top of 1st and 2nd gear.
Also, to correct Tim's story, when I drove it back to Chesapeake from Atlanta, around Clemson, I had someone in a 997TT Cab "taunt" me...after a few smiles and waves, he nailed it a fourth time, I popped down into 3rd gear and let him have it...he was a good three car lengths up on the jump and I sailed by him like he was NA. A few miles later, the low fuel light came on, I took the next exit and had to pump 93 octane in and fire up the laptop to go to the 93 octane tune...no E85 available for miles.
The HP difference was noticeable but the car was still damn fast.
While I was refueling, a guy pulled up next to me and said, "WHAT THE HELL does that thing have in it?? ...a V8"?? I replied, "Nope, just a lil' 4-cylinder" - turns out it was the guy in the 997TT Cabriolet, he saw me take the Clemson exit and he went up an exit, turned around and came looking for me.
Super nice guy, he was obviously blown away that a 944T blew him away. We talked for a few minutes and I got back on the road.
Up next was a fool in a new GTR outside of Charlotte, he wanted some too...do I need to explain what happened there?
Needless to say, the 10hr drive from Atlanta to Chesapeake was full of grins...this car is unbelievable, the people who are next to you at stop lights are just blown away.
It sounds good, it runs like a scalded dog and the looks, geez, fuhgeddaboudit...
I would imagine some of the engine and suspension components would need a nice treatment of neverdull, yes, the suspension is even polished to a satin aluminum finish.
11-04-2016, 01:26 AM
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Salvage title question seems fair since the car was stolen, sustained damage and all but one vin number was scratched off... and the $20k number comes directly from the post. It's a confusingly written ad (at least the way I'm reading). I asked because I would consider it at $20k.
11-04-2016, 01:50 AM
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i bought this car for half of what you guys are asking because the salvage title
https://rennlist.com/forums/968-foru...-for-sale.html
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