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08-15-2003, 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by JustinL
Sorry for dragging this even further off topic.
Justin
Sorry for dragging this even further off topic.
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08-15-2003, 06:19 PM
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BrendanCampion,
First of all, by your tone, you are clearly trying to get a rise out of me(Ayn Rand comment)... but being one of the polite/passive agressive people of Canada
I won't sling mud back at The United States ( a country from which I also have citizenship).
We clearly have different ideologies, which I respect. But I feel that you do not recognize your own bias. By your comments, you also don't seem to have a firm grasp of the Canadian atittude and system. We are just as "brainwashed" as everyone else yourself included, just from different perspectives. And we do have freedom, contrary to what you imply.
"Once everyone understands that we will all be better off"<--- This is an interesting quote...
This is a good discussion and it's staying civil
I wish you good health Brendan, I know how expensive healthcare in the States can be.
Justin
EDIT: I don't think I can make it to whistler... it's a really long drive from Edmonton, but it is through the mountains... damn got me thinking.
First of all, by your tone, you are clearly trying to get a rise out of me(Ayn Rand comment)... but being one of the polite/passive agressive people of Canada
I won't sling mud back at The United States ( a country from which I also have citizenship). We clearly have different ideologies, which I respect. But I feel that you do not recognize your own bias. By your comments, you also don't seem to have a firm grasp of the Canadian atittude and system. We are just as "brainwashed" as everyone else yourself included, just from different perspectives. And we do have freedom, contrary to what you imply.
"Once everyone understands that we will all be better off"<--- This is an interesting quote...
This is a good discussion and it's staying civil
I wish you good health Brendan, I know how expensive healthcare in the States can be.
Justin
EDIT: I don't think I can make it to whistler... it's a really long drive from Edmonton, but it is through the mountains... damn got me thinking.
08-15-2003, 07:16 PM
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Justin my point is not to get a rise out of you. If you did rise, then maybe you have some other opinions not spelled out here. I was suggesting my my comment that any socialist community will eventually start to censor, as that is the only way to continue - if information were truly free in its movement, we will always gravitate towards freedom. And Socialism, no matter what anyone in or out of such a society says, is not freedom-based.
My own bias is clearly on the side of the productivity and wealth-creation side of the fence. The non-socialist, and non-welfare state side. I have no interest in making my argument equal to both ideologies, as one is wrong and one is right. To be unbiased is to be impartial. There is no impartiality required here.
I am not brainwashed in any manner. I see the world for what it really is, and alas, many do not. I am by no means alone in this. I am unclouded by what some call compassion for the weak or less-able. That last comment probably put the hair on the back of many people's neck on end.
You obviously have freedom, as you can write your opinions un-fettered in this forum, and drive though different counties in Canada as you suggest in your edit. But the direction of any socialist society is towards the removal of freedoms, not the addition. Part of that socialism is your state-run health system, paid for by everyone but those who are the most needy.
I am unclear as to what your opinion is on my "everyone understands" notion.
I appreciate your well wishes, but the "expensive" health care that I have access to is a truly wonderful thing. The reasons it has become MORE expensive every year is because of those that do not pay for their care, those that feel they would benefit from the court system which is truly anti-business and bring lawsuits against doctors, etc. I am sure many can fillin the other reasons.
As a side note, it is truly amazing, but wonderfully gratifying to know that in the UK, or at least England, a much more Socialist country than even Canada, when a civil suit is brought, the bringer of the suit must pay BOTH SIDE's court costs if he or she was to lose. This brings the whole idea around to responsibility, and again, was quite a shock to me.
As a final thought here in this totally digressed thread (could it be my fault?) -
Its amazing that those who are the least productive in society always soak up the MOST resources, be it personal care, welfare, or other social services. The productive simply reside and produce in this society, rarely ever soaking off from others. Quite a notion if you can see the significance.
My own bias is clearly on the side of the productivity and wealth-creation side of the fence. The non-socialist, and non-welfare state side. I have no interest in making my argument equal to both ideologies, as one is wrong and one is right. To be unbiased is to be impartial. There is no impartiality required here.
I am not brainwashed in any manner. I see the world for what it really is, and alas, many do not. I am by no means alone in this. I am unclouded by what some call compassion for the weak or less-able. That last comment probably put the hair on the back of many people's neck on end.
You obviously have freedom, as you can write your opinions un-fettered in this forum, and drive though different counties in Canada as you suggest in your edit. But the direction of any socialist society is towards the removal of freedoms, not the addition. Part of that socialism is your state-run health system, paid for by everyone but those who are the most needy.
I am unclear as to what your opinion is on my "everyone understands" notion.
I appreciate your well wishes, but the "expensive" health care that I have access to is a truly wonderful thing. The reasons it has become MORE expensive every year is because of those that do not pay for their care, those that feel they would benefit from the court system which is truly anti-business and bring lawsuits against doctors, etc. I am sure many can fillin the other reasons.
As a side note, it is truly amazing, but wonderfully gratifying to know that in the UK, or at least England, a much more Socialist country than even Canada, when a civil suit is brought, the bringer of the suit must pay BOTH SIDE's court costs if he or she was to lose. This brings the whole idea around to responsibility, and again, was quite a shock to me.
As a final thought here in this totally digressed thread (could it be my fault?) -
Its amazing that those who are the least productive in society always soak up the MOST resources, be it personal care, welfare, or other social services. The productive simply reside and produce in this society, rarely ever soaking off from others. Quite a notion if you can see the significance.
08-15-2003, 07:21 PM
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I buy from Paragon for years now
I am in germany and never had a problem with them.
It is the best shop I dealed outside germany and I trust them full.
You can not find a better shop and service.
Konstantin
I am in germany and never had a problem with them.
It is the best shop I dealed outside germany and I trust them full.
You can not find a better shop and service.
Konstantin
08-15-2003, 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by crazyracer
Just 2 weeks ago I bought a product from another rennlist sponsor (no name) for 300 dollars US. I asked him to mark it with 50 dollars value, he said yes, sure no problem. It arrived marked with 400 dollars value by UPS, guess how happy I was about the taxes and UPS fees? Not the first time this happened to me. Last year another rennlist sponsor (no names again) did the same to me, I paid on a 1,600 dollars order 400 dollars in taxes and fees. This is real fun.
Just 2 weeks ago I bought a product from another rennlist sponsor (no name) for 300 dollars US. I asked him to mark it with 50 dollars value, he said yes, sure no problem. It arrived marked with 400 dollars value by UPS, guess how happy I was about the taxes and UPS fees? Not the first time this happened to me. Last year another rennlist sponsor (no names again) did the same to me, I paid on a 1,600 dollars order 400 dollars in taxes and fees. This is real fun.
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08-15-2003, 07:41 PM
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Fair enough. We can agree to disagree.
I believe that everyone has a bias, you feel you are unbiased.
I feel that compassion is valuable, you feel that it clouds your judgement.
I felt that the statement "Read Ayn Rand, if you are even allowed to up there" was designed to offend. Either that or you really do have no clue about Canada (which I don't think is true).
Even without the litigation, U.S. healthcare by nature is more expensive than Canadian, and both countries have top notch healthcare.
"Once everyone understands that we will all be better off" is a VERY conformist statement. It really sums up the melting pot idea. I feel that diversity is a much more balanced approach. It just sounded like propaganda IMHO.
What it boils down to is that I'm the kind of person that would help someone whether they could return the favour or not.
We are different people with different ways of thinking. That's why living in free countries is great!
Justin
I believe that everyone has a bias, you feel you are unbiased.
I feel that compassion is valuable, you feel that it clouds your judgement.
I felt that the statement "Read Ayn Rand, if you are even allowed to up there" was designed to offend. Either that or you really do have no clue about Canada (which I don't think is true).
Even without the litigation, U.S. healthcare by nature is more expensive than Canadian, and both countries have top notch healthcare.
"Once everyone understands that we will all be better off" is a VERY conformist statement. It really sums up the melting pot idea. I feel that diversity is a much more balanced approach. It just sounded like propaganda IMHO.
What it boils down to is that I'm the kind of person that would help someone whether they could return the favour or not.
We are different people with different ways of thinking. That's why living in free countries is great!
Justin
08-15-2003, 08:40 PM
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tifosiman:
I have friends in the US to whom I usually send the shipments, then bring them over the boarder and pay the taxes on it. No problem with that. If I can have items shipped by FedEX or USPS, no problem either. In those particular cases the persons told me that they could only ship UPS but they would lower the amount. All of this was negotiated BEFORE the transactions took place. In both cases the actually declared value was HIGHER than wht I paid for the shipment. Don't ask me why.
Brandon Campion:
"Society and Civilization is not there to support those who cannot support themselves"
Heil Hitler!
I have friends in the US to whom I usually send the shipments, then bring them over the boarder and pay the taxes on it. No problem with that. If I can have items shipped by FedEX or USPS, no problem either. In those particular cases the persons told me that they could only ship UPS but they would lower the amount. All of this was negotiated BEFORE the transactions took place. In both cases the actually declared value was HIGHER than wht I paid for the shipment. Don't ask me why.
Brandon Campion:
"Society and Civilization is not there to support those who cannot support themselves"
Heil Hitler!
08-15-2003, 08:51 PM
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Good show Justin. Just to add - My "once everyone understands" is in refernence to productivity, and has little to do with conformity. If your saying that everyone has the right to decide whether they wish to be a parasite and live in the need-based society that is a welfare state, then then I suppose they do. I specifically am speaking to a government's actual sponsorship of the welfare system, as we all know once you have a permanent lower class, you will have all the power you wish for.
Crazy -
Hitler, in fact, was quite on-track with the welfare state idea. My statement could in no eay be compared to his ideology. He set up youth programs for the children of poor and rich alike, but many orphans. If you were Arian, then by all means, you got the full backing of the state.
My statement, which pertains to welfare and its uselessness has nothing to do with Hitler, and your thought process leading to your Heil comment is halarious. Jerk that Knee man, just jerk that knee.
And I will have to assume that you were pulling my chain on the mispelling of my name. Its like, right on my post.
Crazy -
Hitler, in fact, was quite on-track with the welfare state idea. My statement could in no eay be compared to his ideology. He set up youth programs for the children of poor and rich alike, but many orphans. If you were Arian, then by all means, you got the full backing of the state.
My statement, which pertains to welfare and its uselessness has nothing to do with Hitler, and your thought process leading to your Heil comment is halarious. Jerk that Knee man, just jerk that knee.
And I will have to assume that you were pulling my chain on the mispelling of my name. Its like, right on my post.
08-15-2003, 09:05 PM
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"Hitler, in fact, was quite on-track with the welfare state idea. My statement could in no eay be compared to his ideology. He set up youth programs for the children of poor and rich alike, but many orphans. If you were Arian, then by all means, you got the full backing of the state. "
This is not correct. Even arians who did not want to work (parasites) had to be destroyed. And ''' especially socialists", same idea as you, not exactly but the direction is the same.
Of course you have to deny it, that's what they all do who are fighting (any) society.
This is not correct. Even arians who did not want to work (parasites) had to be destroyed. And ''' especially socialists", same idea as you, not exactly but the direction is the same.
Of course you have to deny it, that's what they all do who are fighting (any) society.
08-15-2003, 09:40 PM
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Mother of pearl..We have digressed a little from the thread topic...
I recently purchased stuts, shocks and a bunch of other stuff from Paragon. There were a few problems with the delivery of the order which happens on occassion. I was impressed with Jason's honesty and genuine desire to make it right.
To get back on topic I didn't have to provide the information you did but probably would have if asked.
Would I buy again from Paragon????
Damn straight I would! Outstanding people to deal with and I will add them to my list including Ian @ 944.online and Kirk @ Zims.
I recently purchased stuts, shocks and a bunch of other stuff from Paragon. There were a few problems with the delivery of the order which happens on occassion. I was impressed with Jason's honesty and genuine desire to make it right.
To get back on topic I didn't have to provide the information you did but probably would have if asked.
Would I buy again from Paragon????
Damn straight I would! Outstanding people to deal with and I will add them to my list including Ian @ 944.online and Kirk @ Zims.
08-15-2003, 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by crazyracer
This is not correct. Even arians who did not want to work (parasites) had to be destroyed. And ''' especially socialists", same idea as you, not exactly but the direction is the same.
Of course you have to deny it, that's what they all do who are fighting (any) society.
This is not correct. Even arians who did not want to work (parasites) had to be destroyed. And ''' especially socialists", same idea as you, not exactly but the direction is the same.
Of course you have to deny it, that's what they all do who are fighting (any) society.
Show proof your statement above from historical texts, and I will acquiese, but I studied in Austria for a length term in College, and one of the classes was directly related to Hitler and his life and process, and the society he created.
What about denying it? Denying what? I think I may walk away from this. You are sounding very liberal. You people are illogical.
