Another day at the Dyno
09-17-2013, 08:45 AM
#31
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Sounds like this car would be a blast on the road. Not sure that he should change a thing just yet.
09-17-2013, 10:58 AM
#32
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I still feel that a driver that learned without ABS can drive better than a driver that relies on ABS. Some people believe that the proper way to drive an ABS track car is to just push the brake pedal down as hard as possible and allow the ABS to sort it out, I believe that this makes for an uneven transition to trail braking.
But, in the broader environment of braking and going through a corner on a race track, there is a lot more at play - such as keeping the car balanced and managing weight transfer while you gradually transition the frictional loading of the tires from a longitudinal to a lateral direction. To maximize this, it sometimes takes very "delicate" or "sensitive" feeling from the brake pedal - and that feeling is something you will only receive if your foot is not mashed to the floor, but rather is applying just the right amount of pressure.
Think about this: with your eyes closed, you can feel the difference between sand paper and smooth paper, regardless of how hard you push your finger down. But, with your eyes closed, if you're asked to feel the difference between different grades of stationary paper, you'll have to touch each one gently to feel the fibers and texture.
09-17-2013, 11:18 AM
#33
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I agree!
The real key here Patrick, is that there are always the micro picture and the macro picture... In a straight line, an ABS system fully engaged will be able to slow the car quicker than an experience driver modulating his/her pedal pressure at the threshold - that's the focused view of the single element.
But, in the broader environment of braking and going through a corner on a race track, there is a lot more at play - such as keeping the car balanced and managing weight transfer while you gradually transition the frictional loading of the tires from a longitudinal to a lateral direction. To maximize this, it sometimes takes very "delicate" or "sensitive" feeling from the brake pedal - and that feeling is something you will only receive if your foot is not mashed to the floor, but rather is applying just the right amount of pressure.
Think about this: with your eyes closed, you can feel the difference between sand paper and smooth paper, regardless of how hard you push your finger down. But, with your eyes closed, if you're asked to feel the difference between different grades of stationary paper, you'll have to touch each one gently to feel the fibers and texture.
The real key here Patrick, is that there are always the micro picture and the macro picture... In a straight line, an ABS system fully engaged will be able to slow the car quicker than an experience driver modulating his/her pedal pressure at the threshold - that's the focused view of the single element.
But, in the broader environment of braking and going through a corner on a race track, there is a lot more at play - such as keeping the car balanced and managing weight transfer while you gradually transition the frictional loading of the tires from a longitudinal to a lateral direction. To maximize this, it sometimes takes very "delicate" or "sensitive" feeling from the brake pedal - and that feeling is something you will only receive if your foot is not mashed to the floor, but rather is applying just the right amount of pressure.
Think about this: with your eyes closed, you can feel the difference between sand paper and smooth paper, regardless of how hard you push your finger down. But, with your eyes closed, if you're asked to feel the difference between different grades of stationary paper, you'll have to touch each one gently to feel the fibers and texture.
09-17-2013, 11:24 AM
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Think about this: with your eyes closed, you can feel the difference between sand paper and smooth paper, regardless of how hard you push your finger down. But, with your eyes closed, if you're asked to feel the difference between different grades of stationary paper, you'll have to touch each one gently to feel the fibers and texture.
09-17-2013, 11:27 AM
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I drive a 30 year old platform because that is what I enjoy. If ultimate lap time were the goal I would be driving something else.
Take pride in driving well!
09-17-2013, 11:44 AM
#36
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True - but 'pro' drivers would also like traction control, stability control and active suspension. I am too old school to let a computer drive my car! the only reason that I will finally consider ABS is to save on expensive tires.
I drive a 30 year old platform because that is what I enjoy. If ultimate lap time were the goal I would be driving something else.
Take pride in driving well!
I drive a 30 year old platform because that is what I enjoy. If ultimate lap time were the goal I would be driving something else.
Take pride in driving well!
Oh and I have a motorsport adjustable traction control that will go in together with the ABS
09-17-2013, 01:02 PM
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09-17-2013, 05:16 PM
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I understand the points of anti abs. At this stage I won't have it on my car yet so I'll just have to learn the hard way. btw Van, I simply refuse to do it with my eyes shut though!
09-17-2013, 05:30 PM
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You're missing out!
Seriously, though, can you visualize the track with your eyes closed, and imagine you're driving a lap, moving your hands and feet as you would, and, at the end of the imaginary lap, have it be the same as your actual lap time?
When you can, you're ready to drive with your eye's closed! (But it's a really good exercise to work on...)
Seriously, though, can you visualize the track with your eyes closed, and imagine you're driving a lap, moving your hands and feet as you would, and, at the end of the imaginary lap, have it be the same as your actual lap time?
When you can, you're ready to drive with your eye's closed! (But it's a really good exercise to work on...)
09-17-2013, 07:04 PM
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"When you can grasp the pebble from my hand, it is time for you to leave Grasshopper"
09-18-2013, 09:04 AM
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09-19-2013, 02:40 PM
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