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Old 10-10-2014, 02:32 PM
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The first test whent fine.
On the picture you see the ignition signal divided in to two signals for the two coils.
It's the position of the rotor thats send the signal ( and spark ) to cyl 1 and 4 or 2 and 3.
The timing is not altered and produced by the marelli ECU.

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Both ready for action. :-)

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Originally Posted by refresh951
May want to carefully check your plug wires (both ends), I had an issue with misfire a while back and it was a plug wire. Also, check prices at Summit for Blaster Coil, may be a bit cheaper. If you use an HVC II coil, you will need to a capacitor to the DME to kill some harmonics. I will try to dig up the details if anyone needs them.
Any details that you can now recall? I assume this will be applicable to the M-Tune?

Nearing completion of the 3L turbo project - would like to nail down the details of this setup.

Parts as I have noted include: Coil, M-Tune, modified DME and a special coil wire from Magnecore. Using the adjustable FPR.

What else is needed?
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Will adjusting the dwell time in the M-tune eliminate the need for the 0.8 Ohm ballast resistor required if running the MSD blaster coil?
Old 07-15-2015, 05:20 PM
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Have any of you seen the "high plasma ignition systems" out there? I bought a unit from Blue Phoenix ignitions. It has full race mode which will make your plugs turn into a welder. It's awesome!!! The plugs last one race on high mode and you have to use copper core plugs, But there are three setting on mine. Off(stock) (on-low, plugs last 5kmiles) (on-high plugs last one race). Look it up on YouTube. Blue Phoenix plasma. And I'm using water injection on top of that with an intercooler sprayer. Have not set it up yet, just getting the parts together!
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Originally Posted by bebbetufs
Will adjusting the dwell time in the M-tune eliminate the need for the 0.8 Ohm ballast resistor required if running the MSD blaster coil?
Last I talked with Josh, the answer was yes. I am running the MSD blaster coil with M-tune and no resistor. No problems.
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Sounds good. Thank you.
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Bringing this thread back. Great read btw.

I'm just finishing up a build, and running the HVC II coil. I'm running Rogue hardware. My question is does anyone have a dwell map for this coil, or can someone help me changing the values in the dwell table? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Yes, I have it and can send it to you. PM me your email address.
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If your DME has not been modified to accommodate this coil you will blow it up.
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PM'ed.
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Does this table look like stock coil dwell times or I'm looking at wrong place in bin file?
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Originally Posted by darek_u


Does this table look like stock coil dwell times or I'm looking at wrong place in bin file?
What's the X axis? I doubt that table is dwell, since the normal dwell time for a coil is between 2-10 ms.

Here's what the math says for dwell on a dizzy setup, which is basically the same results as Rogue's study when it comes to max possible recharge time for the coil. This accounts for discharge time as well for a typical inductive coil.




and here's what I calculate for a WS setup, note how even at high RPMs you still have enough time to fully saturate the coil (achieve max usable dwell).


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X axis is battery voltage versus Y RPM. In fact it looks pretty much like a dwell table but I'm not an expert here
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Ah. In that case, it very well could be. I was thinking maybe X axis was a running condition like load, but that makes sense.


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