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Paul:
Looks like you are getting better fast!
Those look very nice. The guy here at work made me a new 2" vacuum line today. I will attach some pics so you can see how clean the welds are on bigger pipe, quite remarkable with no cleaning before or after! We can go up to twice this diameter in 1/4" increments with the same results. For somebody that does a lot of tubing and or exhaust this thing is the bomb. Takes less than a minute per weld.
Looks like you are getting better fast!
Those look very nice. The guy here at work made me a new 2" vacuum line today. I will attach some pics so you can see how clean the welds are on bigger pipe, quite remarkable with no cleaning before or after! We can go up to twice this diameter in 1/4" increments with the same results. For somebody that does a lot of tubing and or exhaust this thing is the bomb. Takes less than a minute per weld.
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Thanks Eric!
Those welds are pretty much perfect joins! It would be good for exhausts, but not sure about pre turbo though.
I think people leave it like how i have done it because of the colour effect you get from the temperature from the TIG.
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Those welds are pretty much perfect joins! It would be good for exhausts, but not sure about pre turbo though.
I think people leave it like how i have done it because of the colour effect you get from the temperature from the TIG.
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I have the app, not sure why it doesn't work. Yes, I see your point about the kind of titanium look. I think that is an acquired taste though, maybe for the younger generation. I should have taken some inside pics, they are so smooth you can run your finger nail across them and not feel the gap! That is without touching them after the weld. This is in Thailand as well, I have seen better in Germany and the States. Sometimes you can't spot the weld seem at all. You could make some really cool fuel rails with this and maybe some SS brake hard lines but might be heavy.
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Who makes a half decent quality welder that will work on 110v that can weld aluminum?
I really don't want to spend over $1000 if I can help it, don't know if thats possible though?
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Kim
I really don't want to spend over $1000 if I can help it, don't know if thats possible though?
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Kim
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You can get spool guns for MIG welders, but I don't know if any of the 110V units have enough amperage to really be able to weld aluminum. I've tried with a mid grade Craftsman MIG machine, and it basically just made aluminum *****, that sometimes stuck to the base metal. We tried preheating too.
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You can get spool guns for MIG welders, but I don't know if any of the 110V units have enough amperage to really be able to weld aluminum. I've tried with a mid grade Craftsman MIG machine, and it basically just made aluminum *****, that sometimes stuck to the base metal. We tried preheating too.
All that said, just kind of an FYI on the whole thread - cutting wedges and welding together will not give you the same flow capabilities of a mandrel bent piece. It'll probably be better than crush, but if anyone is expecting similar flow to mandrel bent piece, you'll be disappointed. You'll get turbulence on the inside of the angle, which will create a slight vena contracta.
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I have the app, not sure why it doesn't work. Yes, I see your point about the kind of titanium look. I think that is an acquired taste though, maybe for the younger generation. I should have taken some inside pics, they are so smooth you can run your finger nail across them and not feel the gap! That is without touching them after the weld. This is in Thailand as well, I have seen better in Germany and the States. Sometimes you can't spot the weld seem at all. You could make some really cool fuel rails with this and maybe some SS brake hard lines but might be heavy.
Oh yes you'd be silly to run your fingers down a nice hot weld. But i think those welds would be something i'd want to use if i was trying to squeeze every little horsepower out of an engine.
Cheers mate!
You need something that can weld in AC & DC to do aluminium and stainless steel. AC is for aluminium. And pulse also. Need to be capable of 100 amps to do small aluminium stuff, and 200+ amps to weld onto something 1 inch thick.
All that said, just kind of an FYI on the whole thread - cutting wedges and welding together will not give you the same flow capabilities of a mandrel bent piece. It'll probably be better than crush, but if anyone is expecting similar flow to mandrel bent piece, you'll be disappointed. You'll get turbulence on the inside of the angle, which will create a slight vena contracta.
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There isn't much 110v that will do aluminum. A GOOD 110v mig will, but only 1/8" max and only for a few inches at a time.
Aluminum does not conduct electricity as well as steel, so you have to use higher amps, then you would with the same thickness of steel, to get the base material to melt. Most anything 110v just isn't powerful enough.
I've got a 140a Hobart (Made by miller) that will just barely do it. Full power I can get about 4 or 5 inches of weld before I trip the breaker in my garage
And then as 67King said, the proper aluminum wire is very soft. It will not feed from the machine all the way to the welding tip. A spool gun is almost a must. That's another several hundred dollar attachment to your welding rig. Then you need a special gas mix for aluminum, so add that on.
And then, even if you get all the stuff to make good strong welds in aluminum...you can't do it. Welding aluminum is extremely difficult. It doesn't get red before it melts. You have no idea if the temperature of the surrounding metal when you're welding. So, you'll be welding the most beautiful bead in the world....and all of a sudden a molten blob of aluminum drops to the floor and you're left with a hole the size of a golf ball in whatever you were trying to weld.
Its fun to play with (I've seen guys that can weld pop cans together), but don't think you (not you specifically...I mean anybody) can just start making good aluminum welds right off the bat.
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There isn't much 110v that will do aluminum. A GOOD 110v mig will, but only 1/8" max and only for a few inches at a time.
Aluminum does not conduct electricity as well as steel, so you have to use higher amps, then you would with the same thickness of steel, to get the base material to melt. Most anything 110v just isn't powerful enough.
I've got a 140a Hobart (Made by miller) that will just barely do it. Full power I can get about 4 or 5 inches of weld before I trip the breaker in my garage
And then as 67King said, the proper aluminum wire is very soft. It will not feed from the machine all the way to the welding tip. A spool gun is almost a must. That's another several hundred dollar attachment to your welding rig. Then you need a special gas mix for aluminum, so add that on.
And then, even if you get all the stuff to make good strong welds in aluminum...you can't do it. Welding aluminum is extremely difficult. It doesn't get red before it melts. You have no idea if the temperature of the surrounding metal when you're welding. So, you'll be welding the most beautiful bead in the world....and all of a sudden a molten blob of aluminum drops to the floor and you're left with a hole the size of a golf ball in whatever you were trying to weld.
Its fun to play with (I've seen guys that can weld pop cans together), but don't think you (not you specifically...I mean anybody) can just start making good aluminum welds right off the bat.
Aluminum does not conduct electricity as well as steel, so you have to use higher amps, then you would with the same thickness of steel, to get the base material to melt. Most anything 110v just isn't powerful enough.
I've got a 140a Hobart (Made by miller) that will just barely do it. Full power I can get about 4 or 5 inches of weld before I trip the breaker in my garage
And then as 67King said, the proper aluminum wire is very soft. It will not feed from the machine all the way to the welding tip. A spool gun is almost a must. That's another several hundred dollar attachment to your welding rig. Then you need a special gas mix for aluminum, so add that on.
And then, even if you get all the stuff to make good strong welds in aluminum...you can't do it. Welding aluminum is extremely difficult. It doesn't get red before it melts. You have no idea if the temperature of the surrounding metal when you're welding. So, you'll be welding the most beautiful bead in the world....and all of a sudden a molten blob of aluminum drops to the floor and you're left with a hole the size of a golf ball in whatever you were trying to weld.
Its fun to play with (I've seen guys that can weld pop cans together), but don't think you (not you specifically...I mean anybody) can just start making good aluminum welds right off the bat.
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Just thought you would like to know
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It's all about getting the metal in question to liquify (obviously!). Aluminum is a great conductor of heat (high thermal conductivity), whereas something like stainless steel is not. That means the heat is transfered through and out of the material very quickly. This requires more amperage to maintain the puddle.
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I am not a chemist nor a welder ... but I can tell you Aluminum is a way better conductor of electricity than steel ... It's almost as good as copper but because it oxidizes very quickly it will cause issues .... That's why they stopped using it houses for wiring, otherwise it's a great conductor ...
Just thought you would like to know
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Just thought you would like to know
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It's all about getting the metal in question to liquify (obviously!). Aluminum is a great conductor of heat (high thermal conductivity), whereas something like stainless steel is not. That means the heat is transfered through and out of the material very quickly. This requires more amperage to maintain the puddle.
Learn something new everyday. I thought the reason they used aluminum in home wiring was it was half the cost of copper...and *all* metal conducts electricity.
I know welding aluminum takes ~double the amps to weld vs the same thickness of steel.... But I was wrong on the reason why