fortysixandtwo

I'll see if I can dig up a picture.
I didn't make a build thread, and the one engine bay picture I've shared, has the 968 fuel rail cover in place.

Dutch944

Well, if you would be willing to make a picture, i would be very happy! I have not found a lot of 16v turbo pictures yet here..

Thom

The 968 fuel rail uses no fuel damper.

Dutch944

Oke thanks! I'll do the same than!

@fortysixandtwo, what size fuel lines did you use?

fortysixandtwo

I'll see what I can do for pictures. The car is currently in storage.

For the fuel lines, myself and many others are using -8 supply and -6 return. A majority of cars that have converted to a fuel rail that accepts -AN fittings, adapt the -AN hose to the factory fuel lines, in the passengers side wheel well. Doing it this way has been well documented on this forum.
I've pulled all of the factory fuel lines out and run -8 from pump to filter, and filter to fuel rail. -6 is used from fuel rail to FPR, and FPR back to tank.

Dutch944

Oke perfect thanks!

-8, is that 8mm line? Because i thought standard supply is 10mm and return was 8?

I'll be adapting my fuel rail to accept AN fittings for sure! It looks way better as well.

fortysixandtwo

The numbers used in the -AN standard are in 1/16th of an inch increments, so a -16 would be an 1" inner diameter hose.

So, -8 is 8/16th of an inch => 0.5 inch => 12.7mm
But it's not quite that simple with hose dimensions. They never seem to have an inner diameter that matches their description. I'm going from memory here, but I'm relatively certain the inner diameter of a -8 hose is 0.44" or 11.2mm
Best way to know, is to check the specification sheets. These can usually be found on the hose manufacturers' web sites.

theedge

-8 is the size of AN fittings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN_thread

gruhsy

http://www.russellperformance.com/misc/tech/main.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN_thread

The AN thread is a particular type of fitting used to connect flexible hoses and rigid metal tubing that carry fluid. It is a US military-derived specification that dates back to World War II and stems from a joint standard agreed upon by the Aeronautical and Navy, hence AN.
AN sizes range from -2 (dash two) to -32 in irregular steps, with each step equating to the OD (outside diameter) of the tubing in 1/16" increments. Therefore, a -8 AN size would be equal to 1/2" OD tube (8 x 1/16 = 1/2). However, this system does not specify the ID (inside diameter) of the tubing because the tube wall can vary in thickness. Each AN size also uses its own standard thread size.
AN fittings are a flare fitting, using 37° flared tubing to form a metal-metal seal. They are similar to other 37° flared fittings, such as JIC, which is their industrial variant. The two are interchangeable in theory, though this is typically not recommended due to the exacting specifications and demands of the aerospace industry. The differences between them relate to thread class and shape (how tight a fit the threads are), and the metals used.
Note that 37° AN and 45° SAE fittings and tooling are not interchangeable due to the different flaring angles. Mixing them can cause leakage at the flare.
Originally controlled by the specification MS33656, but is now controlled by SAE-AS4395.
Size comparison[1]
AN size -2 -3 -4 -5 -6 -8 -10 -12 -16 -20 -24 -28 -32
Hose ID 1/8" 3/16" 1/4" 5/16" 3/8" 1/2" 5/8" 3/4" 1" 1-1/4" 1-1/2" 1-3/4" 2"
Hose OD 0.440" 0.547" 0.641" 0.797" 0.940"
SAE thread size 5/16-24 3/8-24 7/16-20 1/2-20 9/16-18 3/4-16 7/8-14 1-1/16-12 1-5/16-12 1-5/8-12 1-7/8-12 2-1/4-12 2-1/2-12
Pipe thread size (NPT) 1/8-27 1/4-18 3/8-18 1/2-14 3/4-14

Dutch944

Wauw.. It's like i'm back at school.. Rennlist is the school and almost every member is a teacher.. ;-)
Thanks for the info! Since i'm only into cars for 2.5 years now there is still so much knowledge i don't have..

I've been to my local carpart shop (which is not really something local but the sell almost everything for cars) to look for some fuel lines, they provide the -8 and -6 lines but they don't provide the AN Fittings, so i'll have to order those separately and get them pressed on at the shop.

gruhsy

Buy American made AN fittings. Not sure if there are German or Canadian made fittings.

Cheap junk ones are made in China. Those are house brands like Jegs brand or Summit...they are made in China. I have them and they are not installed on my car for that reason.

Good ones are.....and I have a ton of different brands....

Canton, Earls, Russel, Aeroquip-Eaton. These ones are on my car.

Summit and Jegs do sell good brands.
Canton are online
Pegasus is another vendor.
Then of course there are the vendors on Rennlist to. They carry good brands.

Dutch944

Ofcourse i will buy American made AN fittings, for some reason Chinese brands have always failed on me.. I'll start looking for the brands in the Netherlands and hope there is a decent provider over here!

Tomorrow i'm going to the engine builder and The DareDevil is joining me! Since he has come to Holland for work i guess he wanted to join me, ofcourse i'm willing to pick up a fellow member!

reno808

Nice thats awsome your showing him around

The DareDevil

It was fun to meet up with you today, Bas!

Your car is sweet! Can't wait to see the final product

Hans

So I met the DareDevil today.............

Lets meet next week and talk fuel lines and fittings.
Fuel pressure is low, some 5 to possibly max 8 bar or so and there are quite a number of options starting with soft copper (rifrigeration) tube via PTFE to braided flexibles (and when you want it solid and last for ever: stainless instrument tubing....)