Notices
944 Turbo and Turbo-S Forum 1982-1991
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Clore Automotive

crankcase pressure head scratcher

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-28-2012, 01:32 PM
  #16  
MooreBoost
Three Wheelin'
 
MooreBoost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,622
Received 23 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

if your still using the metal hard lines under the intake, the big line goes to maf pipe.

the idle control valve goes to the intercooler pipe going into the intake manifold
Old 09-28-2012, 04:06 PM
  #17  
jlturpin
Rennlist Member
 
jlturpin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Mayflower, AR
Posts: 1,075
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I agree. That is a mess and from initial look at the photo on my phone you are pressurizing you crankcase with boost. Go to Lindsey racing website and look for their boost line routing diagrams. That should clear it up.
Old 09-28-2012, 09:12 PM
  #18  
thingo
Rennlist Member
 
thingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 1,135
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by txhokie4life
Sorry, I'm a little confused about your terminology -- just to be clear what i think you are saying was:

You had your dispstick popping, oil burning.
you changed your rings -- no solution
you added catch can -- no solution
you rebuilt your turbo and added a restrictor to the oil feed line to the turbo -- all was good

or did I misunderstand you

I of course and trying to figure out my plan of action.

thanks,

Mike
Sorry I am not a mechanic(and it was a while ago), but the general order was more like-

Smoking at track
Catch can - no solution
Changed rings,bearings, more smoking, dipstick popping out, oil in turbo intake
Put restrictor in - no more smoke

My initial smoking was most likely blow by(it was an old engine).Turbo was fine.

hope that helps.
Old 09-28-2012, 09:52 PM
  #19  
blown 944
Race Car
 
blown 944's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Firestone, Colorado
Posts: 4,826
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

wait a minute. I just did a quick read through the first post. Did you say that the line from teh boost tube to the catch can popped off? If so that is your problem right there!! The AOS goes to teh pipe before the turbo..

Maybe I misread
Old 09-28-2012, 10:31 PM
  #20  
MooreBoost
Three Wheelin'
 
MooreBoost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,622
Received 23 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

im confused.. lol
Old 09-28-2012, 11:10 PM
  #21  
lart951
Basic Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

 
lart951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,445
Received 94 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by blown 944
wait a minute. I just did a quick read through the first post. Did you say that the line from teh boost tube to the catch can popped off? If so that is your problem right there!! The AOS goes to teh pipe before the turbo..

Maybe I misread
You are correct tha aos line comes out of the j-boot and in cars with maf from the maf pipe not the hard pipes since they are pressurize


check # 7 that's your aos hose
Attached Images  
Old 09-29-2012, 12:07 AM
  #22  
txhokie4life
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
txhokie4life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 2,140
Received 76 Likes on 60 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by MooreBoost
im confused.. lol

Me too -- and I'm staring at it.

I need to pull the intake and trace the routing.

Mike
Old 09-29-2012, 01:04 AM
  #23  
MooreBoost
Three Wheelin'
 
MooreBoost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,622
Received 23 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

you really dont need to pull the intake. take a look at larts pic. #5 and #3 is what your looking for and not #7
Old 09-29-2012, 01:24 AM
  #24  
lart951
Basic Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

 
lart951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,445
Received 94 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by MooreBoost
you really dont need to pull the intake. take a look at larts pic. #5 and #3 is what your looking for and not #7
Yes, indeed #5 & #3, not 7
Old 09-29-2012, 11:21 AM
  #25  
txhokie4life
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
txhokie4life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 2,140
Received 76 Likes on 60 Posts
Default

Well I have the LR MAF setup with the Venturi delete. I've done some swapping and plugging
of the #3 and #5 -- with no successful change in behavior.

Trust me I don't want to pull the intake, but
I'm an engineer -- at some point I just have to go back to basics and
I need to know what I'm dealing with.

Mike
Old 09-29-2012, 11:58 AM
  #26  
dizzyj
Rennlist Member
 
dizzyj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,092
Received 8 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

mike, drive it by this weekend and well take a look. can compare to mine if need be.

I believe you have had your aos line run to a catch can, but still have over pressurized the crank case to the point you have popped your dip stick, and poped the aos line off the catch can (dont know how that happens unless the catch can is restricted.

the only way I can think if to create that kind of pressure is either major blowby, or somehow your boost system is bleeding into your block.
Old 09-30-2012, 01:24 AM
  #27  
txhokie4life
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
txhokie4life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 2,140
Received 76 Likes on 60 Posts
Default

Pulled the intake -- a nice oily mess underneath.

Most things look right -- however there is a connection that is not on the LR diagram for my 86 stock with venturi delete.

So what I see is that the connection to the brake booster to the middle vacuum connection to the intake has a Y to it that also connects to the hard pipe that then has the hose that connects to the intercooler return to the Throttle Body.
This is the same line that connects to the ICV whose other side connects to the front vacuum port of the intake.
There is no Y in the LR diagrams.

There is also a line that comes out the side of the AOS that heads down along the side of the block. I haven't traced this hose yet.

Looks like there is no restrictor on the line to the turbo - and this is a LR BB turbo, so I believe it should have one.

Wonder how much more work it is to pull the turbo at this point and have the seals checked?

The picture of the pipe connections is blurry -- I'll try and snag a better one tomorrow.

M
Attached Images  
Old 09-30-2012, 06:20 AM
  #28  
thingo
Rennlist Member
 
thingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 1,135
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Is there much oil in the intake pipes?
Old 09-30-2012, 06:40 AM
  #29  
Paulyy
Professional Hoon
Rennlist Member
 
Paulyy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 7,090
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

This is something i drew up a while ago. Something i forgot to add was the little nipple from the intake pipe (before the turbo) goes to the crank case (AOS)

Old 09-30-2012, 04:11 PM
  #30  
txhokie4life
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
txhokie4life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 2,140
Received 76 Likes on 60 Posts
Default

My connections short the idle stabilizer input to the 2nd intake port.


I tried hilight the path on this picture,

Is this correct?

Mike
Attached Images  


Quick Reply: crankcase pressure head scratcher



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 04:26 AM.