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11-09-2002, 12:26 AM
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anyone running these wheels? If so, what do you think about them? could you post some pics. They seem like a really good deal. any feedback would be great.
11-09-2002, 12:49 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by sean bartsch:
<strong>anyone running these wheels? If so, what do you think about them? could you post some pics. They seem like a really good deal. any feedback would be great.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i have em on my race car...9.5's and 10.5s....the forging quality is astounding. John also tests his wheels to failure at approximately 3x the TUV standards.
They are light, they are cheap, you wont break them.
they are a bit rough looking particularly compared to the fikses, but still the best deal running.
<strong>anyone running these wheels? If so, what do you think about them? could you post some pics. They seem like a really good deal. any feedback would be great.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i have em on my race car...9.5's and 10.5s....the forging quality is astounding. John also tests his wheels to failure at approximately 3x the TUV standards.
They are light, they are cheap, you wont break them.
they are a bit rough looking particularly compared to the fikses, but still the best deal running.
11-09-2002, 04:27 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by sean bartsch:
<strong>anyone running these wheels? If so, what do you think about them? could you post some pics. They seem like a really good deal. any feedback would be great.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I also run them. Mine are 8.5 X 17 front and
10 X 17 rear. They are cheap (relatively), light,
and strong. Looks are not their strong point, but
I'm not that picky.
BTW, the white car in Danno's pic is Doug Donsbach's car.
Barry
<strong>anyone running these wheels? If so, what do you think about them? could you post some pics. They seem like a really good deal. any feedback would be great.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I also run them. Mine are 8.5 X 17 front and
10 X 17 rear. They are cheap (relatively), light,
and strong. Looks are not their strong point, but
I'm not that picky.
BTW, the white car in Danno's pic is Doug Donsbach's car.
Barry
11-09-2002, 04:53 PM
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Thanks for the info and pics guys. A quick question, the wheels in the two pictures look different. I guess thats because of the offset, but i could swear that the centers look diffrent to. Maybe my eyes are just playing tricks on me.
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11-09-2002, 06:18 PM
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I have had these wheels on my race car for a while now and they are excellent. The only problem that I have had is when my tires were changed sometimes the seam seal was compromised by some of the idiots at Town Fair Tire. I fixed that problem, bought my own tire changing and balancing equipment! 
John has gone through a few different renditions of his wheels. He now has an option where he utilizes anodized 12 point ARP bolts with the head countersunk into the centers. A very nice option! I saw them on a car at the track last week so I do not have a picture. He also has mat black anodize centers which looks pretty good on red cars.
John has gone through a few different renditions of his wheels. He now has an option where he utilizes anodized 12 point ARP bolts with the head countersunk into the centers. A very nice option! I saw them on a car at the track last week so I do not have a picture. He also has mat black anodize centers which looks pretty good on red cars.
11-09-2002, 06:31 PM
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951Racer-They sound great. I wish he would update his site with his new designs and options, i would realy like to see pics of those. Do you have an idea of the biggest wheels you can fit under the stock bodywork? i want lots of grip <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
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Sean, you should check the archives because I know this subject has been brought up a couple of times. Your signature does not mention your suspension so I can not tell you exactly what will fit your car up front.
I have an 89 so our offsets will be different, but sizes should be the same. I have a 10" rim in the rear with a 17x275 tire. There is still a lot of room on both sides so I think I could go as big as an 11" rim with 17x305. I heard someone once got a 17x315 back there but I have never seen it. I am going to give it a try over the winter.
If you have coilovers up front you can go as high as 17x275 on a 9.5" rim. A buddy of mine has been running this on his 89 for a couple of years.
I actually run the same wheel and tire on all corners since I have flared front fenders. This means that I only need one spare wheel in case of a flat. Not to mention a 4-way rotation for maximum tire life.
I have an 89 so our offsets will be different, but sizes should be the same. I have a 10" rim in the rear with a 17x275 tire. There is still a lot of room on both sides so I think I could go as big as an 11" rim with 17x305. I heard someone once got a 17x315 back there but I have never seen it. I am going to give it a try over the winter.
If you have coilovers up front you can go as high as 17x275 on a 9.5" rim. A buddy of mine has been running this on his 89 for a couple of years.
I actually run the same wheel and tire on all corners since I have flared front fenders. This means that I only need one spare wheel in case of a flat. Not to mention a 4-way rotation for maximum tire life.
11-09-2002, 07:06 PM
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What kind of prices do these wheels run (and not for Dannos 'it's so big I can carry 40# of pens' things) - just 17x9's.
His web page just doesn't have a whole lot of info (that I saw at least).
Thanks
His web page just doesn't have a whole lot of info (that I saw at least).
Thanks
11-09-2002, 08:07 PM
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"He also has mat black anodize centers which looks pretty good on red cars. "
Yeah, the black-anodized wheels can be pretty ominous-looking:
"A quick question, the wheels in the two pictures look different. I guess thats because of the offset, but i could swear that the centers look diffrent to."
Yup, the upper one is for early-offset cars like yours and the white car has late-offset.
There is also an option for 'large' or 'small' centers which is the difference here as well. Both those cars have 17" wheels (like the photos above). The red one has the larger 30-bolt centers with the bolts closer to the rim. The white car has smaller 20-bolt centers. In either case, they use substantial bolts to hold the halves together. I've had issues with the small 7mm bolts on my BBS Racing wheels breaking when they work themselves loose (ever try finding metric 7mm bolts at any hardware store near the racetrack?
). Loctite and lock-washers took care of that!
"Do you have an idea of the biggest wheels you can fit under the stock bodywork?"
You can use 17x10/11" (30/25mm offset) on your '86 and 255/40-17 & 275/40-17 tires like the red car with no problems.
I got 17x10.5/11.5" sizes in anticipation of larger tires and bodywork. The rear 275/40-17 tire on 11.5" rim will actually rub both the inside and outside at the same time under full suspension compression. It rubs on the inner fender about 6" ahead of the upper shock bolt. The outside rubs directly in front of the hub where the fender curves inward towards the rocker panels (where the thick stone-guard is located). The rear wouldn't rub at all if we had a standard 25" diameter tire like a 295/35-17 instead of the 1" taller 275/40-17. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" />
The front will rub with the 275/40-17 tire even without any suspension-compression. You just have to turn the steering wheel more than 3/4-turn in either direction. Again this is due to the 1" taller tire. Combined with a 1" lowered suspension and the top of the tire is actually 1.5" higher into the fender than stock.
Anyway, once I get 1" wider fenders, I'll be able to run a 275/315mm tire combo. Might upgrade my wheels' outer halves a bit to get 17x11/12" as well. I would love to find tires in 295/35-17 and 335/30-17 sizes... any of you tire-manufacturers listening in???
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Yeah, the black-anodized wheels can be pretty ominous-looking:
"A quick question, the wheels in the two pictures look different. I guess thats because of the offset, but i could swear that the centers look diffrent to."
Yup, the upper one is for early-offset cars like yours and the white car has late-offset.
There is also an option for 'large' or 'small' centers which is the difference here as well. Both those cars have 17" wheels (like the photos above). The red one has the larger 30-bolt centers with the bolts closer to the rim. The white car has smaller 20-bolt centers. In either case, they use substantial bolts to hold the halves together. I've had issues with the small 7mm bolts on my BBS Racing wheels breaking when they work themselves loose (ever try finding metric 7mm bolts at any hardware store near the racetrack?
). Loctite and lock-washers took care of that!"Do you have an idea of the biggest wheels you can fit under the stock bodywork?"
You can use 17x10/11" (30/25mm offset) on your '86 and 255/40-17 & 275/40-17 tires like the red car with no problems.
I got 17x10.5/11.5" sizes in anticipation of larger tires and bodywork. The rear 275/40-17 tire on 11.5" rim will actually rub both the inside and outside at the same time under full suspension compression. It rubs on the inner fender about 6" ahead of the upper shock bolt. The outside rubs directly in front of the hub where the fender curves inward towards the rocker panels (where the thick stone-guard is located). The rear wouldn't rub at all if we had a standard 25" diameter tire like a 295/35-17 instead of the 1" taller 275/40-17. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" />
The front will rub with the 275/40-17 tire even without any suspension-compression. You just have to turn the steering wheel more than 3/4-turn in either direction. Again this is due to the 1" taller tire. Combined with a 1" lowered suspension and the top of the tire is actually 1.5" higher into the fender than stock.
Anyway, once I get 1" wider fenders, I'll be able to run a 275/315mm tire combo. Might upgrade my wheels' outer halves a bit to get 17x11/12" as well. I would love to find tires in 295/35-17 and 335/30-17 sizes... any of you tire-manufacturers listening in???
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There's been a couple of comments here that these CCW wheels are "cheap." The website is lacking cost info. Can someone give me an idea as to what ballpark pricing is on these wheels? Please?
11-10-2002, 12:30 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Danno:
<strong>Anyway, once I get 1" wider fenders, I'll be able to run a 275/315mm tire combo. Might upgrade my wheels' outer halves a bit to get 17x11/12" as well. I would love to find tires in 295/35-17 and 335/30-17 sizes... any of you tire-manufacturers listening in???</strong><hr></blockquote>
18" wheels seem to make a lot of sense for our cars due to the smaller diameter 285/30-18, 295/30-18, and 265/35-18 tire sizes commonly available. Also, slicks seem to be mostly unavailable in 17" sizes. You are much more likely to find a set of used tires from a race team in 18" sizes than 17" sizes. The larger wheel diameter may also give you a higher overall spring rate, which could be handy when switching tires on a street/track car. The extra weight from the larger diameter of the wheels could be offset by having the tire slightly closer to the center of the wheel due to the smaller tire diameter.
<strong>Anyway, once I get 1" wider fenders, I'll be able to run a 275/315mm tire combo. Might upgrade my wheels' outer halves a bit to get 17x11/12" as well. I would love to find tires in 295/35-17 and 335/30-17 sizes... any of you tire-manufacturers listening in???</strong><hr></blockquote>
18" wheels seem to make a lot of sense for our cars due to the smaller diameter 285/30-18, 295/30-18, and 265/35-18 tire sizes commonly available. Also, slicks seem to be mostly unavailable in 17" sizes. You are much more likely to find a set of used tires from a race team in 18" sizes than 17" sizes. The larger wheel diameter may also give you a higher overall spring rate, which could be handy when switching tires on a street/track car. The extra weight from the larger diameter of the wheels could be offset by having the tire slightly closer to the center of the wheel due to the smaller tire diameter.
11-10-2002, 12:36 AM
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I remember seeing in a past post of a price around $1800. If this is true, its a real bargain compared to fikse, BBS, etc.
Danno,
What type of wider bodywork are you going to install? are you going to go with wider fenders. If i was going to go with wider bodywork, i would try to retrofit 968 fender flares to the stock bodywork or fiber/carbon fenders. I have seen it on a 944 race car, and it look great IMO. I would also install a 968 rear, 968 turbo S rear wing, 968 side skirts, Clear GT headlights, front carbon splitter, 968 door handles/mirrors. Give it a nice spray of a bright blue paint(exept for some of the CF pieces) and be done with it.(at least with the body) God that would look cool, i need a better job <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />
Danno,
What type of wider bodywork are you going to install? are you going to go with wider fenders. If i was going to go with wider bodywork, i would try to retrofit 968 fender flares to the stock bodywork or fiber/carbon fenders. I have seen it on a 944 race car, and it look great IMO. I would also install a 968 rear, 968 turbo S rear wing, 968 side skirts, Clear GT headlights, front carbon splitter, 968 door handles/mirrors. Give it a nice spray of a bright blue paint(exept for some of the CF pieces) and be done with it.(at least with the body) God that would look cool, i need a better job <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />
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Just realized that the 18" slicks usually have a rather high sidewall, thus many of the benefits that apply with 18" dot tires won't apply with typical slicks.
