Ross

Me and my big mouth...I haven't even got the 951 yet and I went and did it. My uncle was bragging about his daily driver turning a sub 3.5 0-60 and I told him that I'd be able to keep up in a car that cost 1/10 that. Well, he took me up on it and made the wager very attractive. A weekend with his weekend car...Can you say F1 trans and Spider...or does 360 explain it? Anyway the parameters aren't set yet it will probably be a combination of 0-60, 0-100-0, and 1/4 mile. I don't have to beat it I just have to be close...

The bad part is that his daily driver is a 02 996 TT with headers,exhaust and chipped. Somewhere around 520hp. Although it is a tip and probably a lot heavier. With the G-tech it ran a 3.46 0-60 at about 40deg.

So what do you guys think? Unlike my uncle, my budget is definitely beer and chips. I think I can be very close but wanted your opinions... Any 0-60 times on 300rwhp with LSD 951's? I've got until May to get ready so should I just back out or buy a 928 GT with supercharger and smoke him?

Ross
PS: No word from Minh on whether there is still a chance for his tight 87 2.7L! Keep your fingers crossed.

Steve Lavigne

Define "close"

Doc

Well... if you throw another ten to fifteen grand at a stock 951, you may have a chance. Good news is, even at that, you're still well below the cost of a 2002 996TT

It would be a fun one to watch though.

Good luck!

P.S. Six words of advice:

Bigger Turbo
Adjustable Wastegate
Race Gas

Dave E

I doubt you will be able to come "close" to the 996tt for many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that you only have 2 wheel drive. So even if you had the same power/weight ratio, traction would most likely leave you in the dust

Ross

We are still working out the "close" portion. Any ideas as to what would be 'fair'? I was thinking 1 and 1/2 sec's 0-60 and from there I don't know.

Ross
93 928 GTS 5sp...Bye bye

Luke

You would have a better chance of coming close if (after you installed the garret) you spent the extra money on shedding weight with fibre glass panels. The lowest I have Ever seen a 951 weigh in at was 2350 lbs. At that weight with 320rwhp. You would be at a similar power to weight ratio.

Dont forget "big brakes"

rage2

I've ran with quite a few 993 and 996 TT's. You've got quite a few problems here :

0-60 : the AWD will kill you pretty good. On my 951, I used to drag race the crap out of it, keep breaking CV joints (on launch) and even stipped a few teeth off 1st and second (from the power shifts). Best I could pull off with GTech Pro was a 4.1sec. Don't bother with slicks, that'll kill 1st gear on the 1st launch =).

0-100-0 : requires really good shifting skills, since he's using an automatic, you're in trouble. Automatics get to "power shift" on every gear, and never miss a shift. They go well together. Under braking, the 911's have much better balance than we do (near 50/50 distribution under braking). With the auto again, it'll downshift nicely to balance out full braking force (ABS) along with engine braking. You're in a lot of trouble in this dept.

1/4 mile : this is probably the only race where you have a chance, the launch and the shifting must be perfect here. I've taken a SLK32 AMG (349hp, auto) to the drag strip and the car is VERY consistent. I ran about 10 runs, all were within 0.08sec of each other. What kind of times/trap speed does he run?

Honestly, a stock 996TT we can keep up with a lot of mods. 500+ hp ones, might be tough, but you can probably get "close" if you drive really well. His auto is really dummy proof, so you HAVE to be perfect in your car.

Steve Lavigne

I have a couple ideas that could help, or at least might be fun to think about:

-944 na gearbox with lsd. You can pick up a 944 gearbox without lsd for about $500. Shouldn't be too bad for one with an lsd. *IF* you don't blow it up, you should be able to sell it for what you bought it for.

-Used slicks treated with tire softener. Drag slicks on the back probably best. Not sure how well they work under heavy braking though.

-Adjustable brake bias valve

0-60: The slicks will give you lots of traction and the short gearbox will allow you to launch without bogging. You should be able to hit 60 mph in 2nd gear at about 7000 rpm with the 944 gearbox. Or, you can shift up early and get the meat of the torque band in third gear.

0-100-0: Unfortunately, the 944 gearbox will require a shift to fourth, but the short gears should still provide a benefit. The softened slicks along with properly adjusted brake bias should allow for some tremendous stopping distances. Make sure the brake bias is adjusted so that the front tires lock slightly before the rear tires. Big brakes won't really help you much for a single stop. Instead, make sure that you have good brake pads, fresh Motul 600 or equivalent fluid, and a skilled foot. I'd recommend that you disable ABS if you get a car so equipped. Left foot braking may allow you to transition from acceleration to braking quicker. If you need practice, spend some time in a kart.

1/4 mile: Basically, same characteristics as 0-60, except you will get into fourth gear.

With the slicks, you will need to find some way to scrub them and get them up to temperature. Aside from the horsepower of the 996TT, the weight distribution is ideally suited to straightline acceleration and deceleration. But, that is why I tried to come up with some 'cheating bastard' tips.

'86 951
-Steve

951and944S

Hey Steve........

Note to self: Do not buy N/A 944 tranny with LSD from Ross......!

Terry

Luke

I would recommend the "earlier" shift, especially with a kkk unit. There is no Power left up that high. YOu mays well save the boost and shift into third (might actually be quicker?)

rage2

You're definately right here. I've had my share of 1/4 mile runs with the K26/6. 1st to 2nd can be done at 6500rpm or 7000rpm, it won't make much of a difference. 2nd to 3rd should be done at 6000rpm, you'll start losing time after that. 3rd to 4th should be done at 6500rpm. Those shiftpoints yielded the best times for me a few years ago on the stock turbo.

Luke

silly kkk's

John Anderson

OR, you could just have us build you a motor. We have three 951's including mine that put down over 400HP at the tires.

My 87 951 lays down 515ftlbs at 3600 rpm at the wheels with 415+hp at the wheels from 4000rpm on to redline.

Another we built lays down 460ftlbs and 407 at the wheels, and the list goes on.

You can see the dyno results on our website. Along with a few dyno results from our new supercharger kit for the NA guys!

trebor_quitman

To bad you said "CAR". You could have loop hole'd the bet and gotten a relatively cheap race bike. They can pull some very nice numbers.

Tom

You could always disconnect 4 of his plug wires!