951s LS1?
04-06-2009, 09:34 PM
#31
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Chris-
Just some friendly advice from a BTDT. Start with the nicest possible 944 series car you can find....period. When the swap is done, you will be obsessed with the car, and will deeply regret having started with a turd.
Find a conversion locally that you can drive or take a ride in. This will eliminate any hesitation you may have, and keep you motivated during the swap process. As far as resale, the LS motor will expand your potential buyer base tremendously. I can tell you from first hand experience, that the GM guys are enamored over this combination.
Reliability?? My swap has been my commuter AND weekend weapon for the last two years and I've never been late to work, and the only money I spend is on mods.
Just some friendly advice from a BTDT. Start with the nicest possible 944 series car you can find....period. When the swap is done, you will be obsessed with the car, and will deeply regret having started with a turd.
Find a conversion locally that you can drive or take a ride in. This will eliminate any hesitation you may have, and keep you motivated during the swap process. As far as resale, the LS motor will expand your potential buyer base tremendously. I can tell you from first hand experience, that the GM guys are enamored over this combination.
Reliability?? My swap has been my commuter AND weekend weapon for the last two years and I've never been late to work, and the only money I spend is on mods.
As someone who's about to be there and do that, I'm going to threadjack with some questions:
What are you using for cooling? Is the stock system enough, or did you need to upgrade?
How about wheels/tires? Did you go to a larger size? Is breaking loose a problem if you step on it?
What about your exhaust setup? Is it relatively easy to make it shut up? (Or do you like loud?)
What kind of gas mileage do you get? What do you run it on? (I'm in California, and can only get 91 octane.)
04-06-2009, 09:37 PM
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Ok let me see if I can clarify a chevy V8 in the 944 is like a shaq o neil dunking but a modded 951 with the 4 cyl engine is like spud webb dunking a greater feet kinda like stated above in a different way.
Why not use a cayenne V8/928 V8 if you want one that bad??? but remember I just said MY OPINION!! I just feel it sound be porsche all the way so don't chastise me
Why not use a cayenne V8/928 V8 if you want one that bad??? but remember I just said MY OPINION!! I just feel it sound be porsche all the way so don't chastise me
04-06-2009, 09:39 PM
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04-06-2009, 10:03 PM
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Really I have a 944 chassis here I was going to try it in but the cayenne is only 4.5 is it that much wider?
04-06-2009, 10:11 PM
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I'm only repeating what I've heard, but I've heard it from multiple sources. The 928 V8 and the Cayenne engines are both too wide for the narrow 944 engine bay, at least without cutting and fabrication work.
04-06-2009, 10:57 PM
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Chris-
Just some friendly advice from a BTDT. Start with the nicest possible 944 series car you can find....period. When the swap is done, you will be obsessed with the car, and will deeply regret having started with a turd.
Find a conversion locally that you can drive or take a ride in. This will eliminate any hesitation you may have, and keep you motivated during the swap process. As far as resale, the LS motor will expand your potential buyer base tremendously. I can tell you from first hand experience, that the GM guys are enamored over this combination.
Reliability?? My swap has been my commuter AND weekend weapon for the last two years and I've never been late to work, and the only money I spend is on mods.
Just some friendly advice from a BTDT. Start with the nicest possible 944 series car you can find....period. When the swap is done, you will be obsessed with the car, and will deeply regret having started with a turd.
Find a conversion locally that you can drive or take a ride in. This will eliminate any hesitation you may have, and keep you motivated during the swap process. As far as resale, the LS motor will expand your potential buyer base tremendously. I can tell you from first hand experience, that the GM guys are enamored over this combination.
Reliability?? My swap has been my commuter AND weekend weapon for the last two years and I've never been late to work, and the only money I spend is on mods.
as far as the purist standpoint, I am with you, but unfortunately installing a cayenne TT motor and or a 928 motor would be 1 mechanically frustrating, 2 not budget concious. I know anything is possible, but to what account. I would buy a 996TT for that price tag.
now...for some quick questions and things I found.....
wiring harness, what is done with that? Going with a painless unit will cost close to 1k. What has been done or any alternatives?
Renegade hybrids seem to be the kit of choice, but I do not see any harness issues address with that kit.
I have also found some good info.... for the archives
http://blackforesthybrids.com/store/index.php
http://www.porschehybrids.com/php/
and obviously
http://renegadehybrids.com/
oh yeah.......how the hell do you get to the spark plugs.... is it accessable while the motor is in?
04-06-2009, 11:11 PM
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I saw a CS engine on ebay a few months ago for 3k but I have tooooo many projects to take on another one now
there will be others
there will be others
04-06-2009, 11:15 PM
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Not that it matters, but....
first, until recently (say..last 10 years or so) it wasn't necessarily the reliability of the bowtie, but the longevity of it. And before everyone goes and gets their panties in a bunch, what I mean by that is the performance longevity. These motors (80's-90's), as I said until recently, were simply wore out by the time they hit 70k-80k or more miles...or at least the majority that I have had. Now that is supposed to be a thing of rats past...you know...poor QC, lower grade parts, etc..., that plagued all of the big three through these years. Point in fact: you can buy a Reman SB rat that is significantly more durable than its' OEM predecessor....and warrantied to reflect it.
In contrast, you have 23 year-old P-motors with 100k plus (some cases +++++ 100k) that still pull like a SOB and have very little drop in reflective performance values from day 1. Are they perfect? Absolutley not. Are they a PITA? Sure. But what is the difference in a Porsche 2.5l $8k teardown/rebuild that yields 300+RWHP and a Chevy $8k conversion that yields 300RWHP (in some cases 300crank HP)? Simple. In 80k miles the 2.5 liter is still fine. The SB rat? Well who knows for sure. But remove the heart and soul of this car and no...you do not have a Porsche. You essentially have a kit car...no more, no less. It does not matter how much spin you put on it. It is a kit car, plain and simple.
With that said, as some of you already know, I am in the very early stages of a conversion. However, I am not decimating my 60k mile Turbo to do it. I do not have any issues with those who have OR are doing a conversion, as I am myself. But let's not get it twisted. It ceases to exist a a Porsche the minute you rip out its' very core.
Just my opinion..FLAME SUIT ON :P
first, until recently (say..last 10 years or so) it wasn't necessarily the reliability of the bowtie, but the longevity of it. And before everyone goes and gets their panties in a bunch, what I mean by that is the performance longevity. These motors (80's-90's), as I said until recently, were simply wore out by the time they hit 70k-80k or more miles...or at least the majority that I have had. Now that is supposed to be a thing of rats past...you know...poor QC, lower grade parts, etc..., that plagued all of the big three through these years. Point in fact: you can buy a Reman SB rat that is significantly more durable than its' OEM predecessor....and warrantied to reflect it.
In contrast, you have 23 year-old P-motors with 100k plus (some cases +++++ 100k) that still pull like a SOB and have very little drop in reflective performance values from day 1. Are they perfect? Absolutley not. Are they a PITA? Sure. But what is the difference in a Porsche 2.5l $8k teardown/rebuild that yields 300+RWHP and a Chevy $8k conversion that yields 300RWHP (in some cases 300crank HP)? Simple. In 80k miles the 2.5 liter is still fine. The SB rat? Well who knows for sure. But remove the heart and soul of this car and no...you do not have a Porsche. You essentially have a kit car...no more, no less. It does not matter how much spin you put on it. It is a kit car, plain and simple.
With that said, as some of you already know, I am in the very early stages of a conversion. However, I am not decimating my 60k mile Turbo to do it. I do not have any issues with those who have OR are doing a conversion, as I am myself. But let's not get it twisted. It ceases to exist a a Porsche the minute you rip out its' very core.
Just my opinion..FLAME SUIT ON :P
04-06-2009, 11:38 PM
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I think there are plenty of good points made for either camp. Certainly if I could turn the clock back I would strongly consider the V8 transplant. Having said that, if my new engine makes 500+hp perhaps I'll feel all the pain vindicated. 
04-06-2009, 11:49 PM
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04-06-2009, 11:53 PM
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04-07-2009, 12:09 AM
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North American Sand Soccer National Championships are the same weekend and we are defending champions in the U-14 bracket.
On the bright side, there is no shortage of Bikinis, alcohol, live bands, shooters for hooters, tips for nips, ho's for bro's, etc...as well as the womens Pro-BEach Volleyball tourney on the same beach
