theedge

Personally at this moment in time id take the 951 without a second thought. I like it WAY more, I do my own work anyway, and I dont want a daily driver car no matter what it is. No way in hell im paying $200 a month to park downtown, and sitting in the same traffic clusterpuck twice a day.

LFA951

Said like a true 951 lover...

ninefiveone

Ok. I'll play along. Tell me how they would lose money if they sold more 944's than 911's or 928's. I'm a management consultant in business so I'm very well versed in business cases, pricing models, and marketing strategy. I'd be happy to hear what you know about this. I also know Porsche's history very well. Which would also be how I know you're wrong. It's a well documented fact that 944's sales were falling rapidly in the face of cheaper competition that delivered equal performance numbers for far less money. The 944 series simply wasn't profitable in the last years of production and didn't care nearly enough margin to warrant low sales numbers. But if you can provide some proof of your position, please share.

I'm in my mid-30's, btw, so thanks for making me feel young again. How old are you, btw?

Again, you're being fooled by paper numbers. I've had both cars up on the corner balancing scales. My 1986 weighs 3000lbs with a half tank, no spare/tools but otherwise full street trim. The 1989 Turbo I weighed was 3150 with a half tank, no spare/tools, full street trim. The EVO I weighed came in under 3200lbs but we can call it a fair 200lb difference to help your argument out.

You still haven't answered why the EVO is worse off when there are performance cars that do weigh more than it. My point is that it's in the middle of the range. Your argument is that it's too heavy. How is it too heavy when a brand new M3, which is a great performance car, is even heavier? No one here would argue that 200lbs is a lot of weight but it's well within reason for a full street 4 door sedan.

So far, I haven't seen any facts that help your arguments out but I'm happy to hear more.

facboy

well i test-drove one ytd, and i have to say i was disappointed with the power. it only had 200kms on it though so it was veeeeeeeeeery tight still - i'll have to go hunting for one with higher mileage.

the turn-in seems a lot better than on my 951 - prolly due to the ultra-quick rack (it's a little over 2 turns lock-to-lock). i've not heard any complaints about the drivetrain down here (i'm in aust). there's quite a few guys running with 220-230kw atw with no problems - i wouldn't plan on going past that in any case.

in any case, there's a 10-year/160000km warranty on the engine/drivetrain (!) - which would be voided if i modded it too much though. the aust cars are not as powerful as the US cars, we only get 206kw, though ralliart can bump that up to 223 while retaining the warranty.

in terms of interior quality etc, the 951 leaves it for dead. but that isn't going to surprise anyone.

i'm still in two minds...i'll have to see how much it will cost, try and find a looser demo model, etc.

LFA951

""You still haven't answered why the EVO is worse off when there are performance cars that do weigh more than it. My point is that it's in the middle of the range. Your argument is that it's too heavy. How is it too heavy when a brand new M3, which is a great performance car, is even heavier? No one here would argue that 200lbs is a lot of weight but it's well within reason for a full street 4 door sedan.""

The 951 has a lower center of gravity than the Evo cause it's built for asphalt, not dirt. That's why it balances out better tand does need that super stiff suspension the Evo does. An M3 is a 4 door sedan and the 951 is a coupe, it's like comparing apples and oranges, plus the M3 is a 24 valve V6, a lot of torque to move it, and 333 horses helps too, M3 is a luxury sports sedan, Evo is not, you are comparing different categories here all together. If you want to race and be a bad ***, get an Evo. If you want a nice weekend car like I have, then get a 951 which is much more fun to drive around than en Evo, anyone object to that??

jy951

Hey Smart-***, Bring all your CIVIC RICE and half tuned 951 to the East Coast - so I can Bee-yatch slap your silly a$$ one final time!!!

BigNNasty

[QUOTE=LFA951]Ok, ****ing idiot ON Dr. Phil!

The way you dress is not 100% statement and what you are. Just because someone wears walmart clothes, does that mean they're poor? Your being very stereotypical here, and I doubt anyone will like this. Some people might wear walmart clothes, because their jeans for 19.99 are just as good as abercrombies pants that already HAVE holes and rips in them from the store, and cost 5 times as much. People that wear cheaper clothes in turn save money, too buy other things. There is a guy in my town, millionaire, but you could NEVER guess him out of a line up. He doesn't spend any of his money, looks as if he hasn't showered in weeks, and drives a piece of ****. He HAS money though, more then you could feast on. Image DOES NOT describe what you are, or your ways. Just because your little gay Florida town is that way, doesn't mean everywhere is.

I don't judge any person by what they; wear, drive, own, do, collect, where they work, or anything for the matter. Thats being stereotypical, and it's not the way I'm living or going to live my life. You on the other hand, you can do this because people obviously already don't like you. If you would just shut up and listen for a second, YOU might learn some things. Just because the guy at the dealership let you drive the Evo (I feel like chopping a finger or two of his off so he can never hand you keys again!), doesn't mean you know the ins and outs. Period...

Just please shut up, get your facts straight, and take a lesson from some more wise people, then yourself!!!



(sorry for O.T., but this guy needs set straight.)

BigNNasty

You have JUSSSST shown how dumb you really are.

I do believe the M3s are available in a 2dr coupe???

Also, coupe compared to a coupe, is not apples to oranges. Also, have you realized that, thats a 6 cylinder making that power.

Lets do some math...

M3 with 4 cyl.- 222hp
M3 with 6 cyl.- 333hp
944T with 4 cyl.- 217hp
944T with 6 cyl.- 326hp

O my!!! Look at how close the numbers are, within 7hp of each. Pound for pound, the motors from the two cars essentially match up. Please stop your idiotic posts...

I think I'm going retarded just reading your ****!

lart951

Dude, wth? eyal was doing you a favor, he didn't want you loose your 1st place. But it seems that the way LFA951 is going, it will only be a matter of time before he takes over your title


JY951 rules

ehall

[QUOTE=LFA951]Warren Buffet drives a 5 year old buick. What does that say about him? Does it say he's the second wealthiest man on the planet? He is BTW and couldn't begin to give a **** less about what you, I or anyone thinks about his car. You are the second dumbest assclown on this board, behind your girlfriend jy951. Sell your car. You being a moron makes the rest of us look bad for tolerating you. lol

ehall

yeah eyal, go over there. the bitch wants to slap you!

ehall

in case you don't know what he looks like, here's his pic that he pm'ed me, of himself, while threatening me as well.

jy951

YOU AINT EVEN WORTH BEE-YATCH SLAPPING - I MIGHT CATCH SOME COMMUNICABLE DISEASE !!!

YOU KNOW - THAT DISEASE CALLED - DUMB-A$$!!!!

Guns951

You guys are crazy!

You can't compare the two for this reason alone...the 951 wasn't built to be the highest horsepower car or the fastest in fact many advancements were not sought after due to the fact that it had to stay behind the 911.

Porsches are built to a standard...that said not everything is totally 100% super high class or quality...but is still much better than most currently produced cars. The attention is put to a high speed cruiser capable of aggressive handling at those speeds while maintaining a certain level of comfort.

To all who compare different marques look at their history and mission. Porsche is about quality, speed, performance and refinement. If you want 0-60 times go buy your Z28 and cease with senseless ramblings. It doesn't matter if we actually drive those speeds, but keep in mind this is what the 951 was designed for. What other production car can do 170 + off the showroom floor?

These "this new car is better than this old car" threads MUST STOP.

Guns951 OUT

**EDIT** JY951 its catch not can...learn how to spell

ehall

well done! you've proven once again that you are still #1! Notice how I didn't need caps to be heard?