Tire Recommendations Please
07-10-2006, 01:50 PM
#47
Originally Posted by LFA951
Read the reviews and the roadtests and the Hankook Ventus RS-2 Z212 and then eat your words...
The personal experiences of those on this board carry more weight than a review with a magazine.
I'd still like to know who you buy your tires from.
07-10-2006, 01:51 PM
#48
Race Car
Those Hankooks came on my wife's '95 M3 and they seem to be holding up fine through 4 track days and 4 autox's. Not as much grip as the Yoko ES100s on my 951, but the wear is a lot better.
07-10-2006, 01:53 PM
#49
Originally Posted by OriginalSterm
Those Hankooks came on my wife's '95 M3 and they seem to be holding up fine through 4 track days and 4 autox's. Not as much grip as the Yoko ES100s on my 951, but the wear is a lot better.
Excellent response... LFA, take notes.
07-10-2006, 02:52 PM
#50
Originally Posted by OriginalSterm
Those Hankooks came on my wife's '95 M3 and they seem to be holding up fine through 4 track days and 4 autox's. Not as much grip as the Yoko ES100s on my 951, but the wear is a lot better.
07-10-2006, 02:54 PM
#51
Originally Posted by streckfu's951
Cheery words... Go back and read the reviews from 1986 comparing the C4 Corvette to the 951. The corvette won almost every comparison. What does that mean. Nothing.
The personal experiences of those on this board carry more weight than a review with a magazine.
I'd still like to know who you buy your tires from.
The personal experiences of those on this board carry more weight than a review with a magazine.
I'd still like to know who you buy your tires from.
07-10-2006, 03:10 PM
#52
Race Car
Originally Posted by LFA951
Impossible, the Ventus RS-2 Z212 came out the end of last year, they are a new model racing design for street use, so you are referring to another model Ventus, maybe the Sport K104, there are several, the newest one is the Evo, check out their website to educate yourself a little better...
However, I'd trust a tire guy as far as I could throw him. I'd trust somone with experience on a similar car (whoever that may be) much more. If you have personal experience with Hankooks, that's a different story. If you have experience with Fuzions, that's a different story. If you read a review, that is worthless.
Someone recommended Hawk HPS brake pads for me to try on the track, they saw a good review on tirerack for a totally different car and application. Guess what, the review they saw was totally inappropriate for my car in my application. They were awful brake pads and I will never try them again. I still see glowing reviews of these pads though.
07-10-2006, 03:12 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by LFA951
Read the reviews and the roadtests and the Hankook Ventus RS-2 Z212 and then eat your words...
Originally Posted by LFA951
Fuzions are cheap tires my tire guy says, the Hankooks are better and cost less...
Hankooks are better...Fuzions are ok for Mustangs, but for a Porsche??
That is the sidewall in question, isn't it crappy loooking?
...those who pay greater attention to detail naturally have higher standards...
The Fuzion goes well on the Mustang cause it is much like the Mustang design, dull and plain, ......tasteless...
....Impossible, the Ventus RS-2 Z212 came out the end of last year, they are a new model racing design for street use, so you are referring to another model Ventus, maybe the Sport K104....
Hankooks are better...Fuzions are ok for Mustangs, but for a Porsche??
That is the sidewall in question, isn't it crappy loooking?
...those who pay greater attention to detail naturally have higher standards...
The Fuzion goes well on the Mustang cause it is much like the Mustang design, dull and plain, ......tasteless...
....Impossible, the Ventus RS-2 Z212 came out the end of last year, they are a new model racing design for street use, so you are referring to another model Ventus, maybe the Sport K104....
http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com...5_tiretest.pdf
Originally Posted by better tire raters than you
Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212
Price Each: $130 (unshaved)
The Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 is the company’s first real stab at the Street Touring market. The earlier Ventus Sport K104 was a decent tire, but it failed to set the world on fire. Hankook didn’t waste much time in producing something new.
Hankook’s engineers and product plan¬ners have been listening, and returned with a rock-solid performance tire that blends on-track performance and street usability into an inexpensive package. They freely admit that they compete heavily against fellow Korean tire giant Kumho, and it’s pretty obvious that the Hankook engineers had their sights set on the Kumho ECSTA MX when designing the Ventus R-S2 Z212.
The Ventus R-S2 Z212 was the third tire that we tested and it finished up in a solid mid-pack fourth place, a few tenths behind the Yokohama Advan Neova and slightly ahead of the Kumho ECSTA MX.
The Hankook was designed primarily as a high-performance street tire, not a track tire, and as such the tread design and performance characteristics play that out. The tire has a good initial steering response, but it’s not linear. We felt that the tire was quick to turn in with the first few degrees of steering input, but things quickly became mushy as large steering inputs were needed to get through the tighter transitions. “Even with the non-linear¬ity of steering inputs, the transition grip was very good, making it easy to place the car in slaloms,” said Chris Harvey.
We were surprised to find that the Hankook had the worst grip during acceleration and brak¬ing. Like its lateral (or side-to-side) grip, the longitudinal traction was hampered by the large amounts of void area and consequently precious little tread touching the track surface. This led to quite a bit of chatter from the ABS system during braking and even some wheelspin from this LSD-equipped Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V. Even at the shaved depth of 4/32 inch, the Hankook still looked like a rain-capable street tire when compared to the other fast players.
The Hankook didn’t give the best feedback during steady-state cornering, and the tire quickly lost grip as it was pushed over the edge of adhesion. This made cornering on the skid¬pad a little dicey—and the times suffered.
Accelerating out of the skid pad was where the longitudinal grip, or lack thereof, really hurt the tire, as this pushed the car wide. As a result, speed down the following straight suffered. This was only made worse when the Hankook overheated near the end of each run, requiring considerable cooling between stints.
Both drivers came to the final conclusion that the Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 was a great carcass in search of a different tread design, one with less void area for more dry grip. The Hankook exhibited some wear during the test¬ing, and it’s pretty clear that their engineers were certainly going with a softer compound. Our recommendation? Please give us more of that tread compound by reducing the void area. Hankook will be offering contingency money for top finishers at SCCA National Tours, ProSolos and the national championships.
Price Each: $130 (unshaved)
The Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 is the company’s first real stab at the Street Touring market. The earlier Ventus Sport K104 was a decent tire, but it failed to set the world on fire. Hankook didn’t waste much time in producing something new.
Hankook’s engineers and product plan¬ners have been listening, and returned with a rock-solid performance tire that blends on-track performance and street usability into an inexpensive package. They freely admit that they compete heavily against fellow Korean tire giant Kumho, and it’s pretty obvious that the Hankook engineers had their sights set on the Kumho ECSTA MX when designing the Ventus R-S2 Z212.
The Ventus R-S2 Z212 was the third tire that we tested and it finished up in a solid mid-pack fourth place, a few tenths behind the Yokohama Advan Neova and slightly ahead of the Kumho ECSTA MX.
The Hankook was designed primarily as a high-performance street tire, not a track tire, and as such the tread design and performance characteristics play that out. The tire has a good initial steering response, but it’s not linear. We felt that the tire was quick to turn in with the first few degrees of steering input, but things quickly became mushy as large steering inputs were needed to get through the tighter transitions. “Even with the non-linear¬ity of steering inputs, the transition grip was very good, making it easy to place the car in slaloms,” said Chris Harvey.
We were surprised to find that the Hankook had the worst grip during acceleration and brak¬ing. Like its lateral (or side-to-side) grip, the longitudinal traction was hampered by the large amounts of void area and consequently precious little tread touching the track surface. This led to quite a bit of chatter from the ABS system during braking and even some wheelspin from this LSD-equipped Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V. Even at the shaved depth of 4/32 inch, the Hankook still looked like a rain-capable street tire when compared to the other fast players.
The Hankook didn’t give the best feedback during steady-state cornering, and the tire quickly lost grip as it was pushed over the edge of adhesion. This made cornering on the skid¬pad a little dicey—and the times suffered.
Accelerating out of the skid pad was where the longitudinal grip, or lack thereof, really hurt the tire, as this pushed the car wide. As a result, speed down the following straight suffered. This was only made worse when the Hankook overheated near the end of each run, requiring considerable cooling between stints.
Both drivers came to the final conclusion that the Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 was a great carcass in search of a different tread design, one with less void area for more dry grip. The Hankook exhibited some wear during the test¬ing, and it’s pretty clear that their engineers were certainly going with a softer compound. Our recommendation? Please give us more of that tread compound by reducing the void area. Hankook will be offering contingency money for top finishers at SCCA National Tours, ProSolos and the national championships.
Last edited by KuHL 951; 07-10-2006 at 03:32 PM.
07-10-2006, 03:22 PM
#54
Originally Posted by LFA951
Nonsense, the 944 turbo although having half the size engine, surely beat the Corvette including in the 0-60 times, so check yourself before you riggidy wreck yourself, another fine example of tasteless design, the Corvette, naturally an American Magazine is going to favor their American Prize car...Ok ,who's next??
November 1985 Road and Track. Check your riggedy wrecked self.
naturally an American Magazine is going to favor their American Prize car
Last edited by streckfu's951; 07-10-2006 at 03:45 PM.
07-10-2006, 03:27 PM
#55
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Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Ski
back on track Tom, Goodyear F1 DS G3 ( I hope I didn't get the D and G mixed up). Quiet, great sidewall, and treadwear. I've got em, Jim just put a set on his red car, brother-n-law bought em too.
07-10-2006, 04:16 PM
#56
Apply that sensibility to your tire salesman who doesn't carry Bridgestone tires or why wouldn't an American car magazine pick American tires first? That means Firestone would win every time. But wait, Firestone owns Bridgestone which makes Fuzion....Ohh, what to do... [/QUOTE]
How can you compare American white trash to German engineering? FYI, the tire guy sells all brands. FYI, Bridgestone bought the company that makes the Fuzions overseas in Japan, no Bridgestone technology in the tire, it's their generic off brand...
[/QUOTE]How can you compare American white trash to German engineering? FYI, the tire guy sells all brands. FYI, Bridgestone bought the company that makes the Fuzions overseas in Japan, no Bridgestone technology in the tire, it's their generic off brand...
07-10-2006, 04:19 PM
#57
http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/images/samples/august_100_115_tiretest.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
I rest my case, the tire beat the Kumho Ecsta MX (which is better than the Fuzion ZRi) and was right behind the Advan Neova, and the test was done on a front wheel drive Sentra with 60% of the weight up front, how genius of you...$130 a tire?? I paid $326 for all four :>
I rest my case, the tire beat the Kumho Ecsta MX (which is better than the Fuzion ZRi) and was right behind the Advan Neova, and the test was done on a front wheel drive Sentra with 60% of the weight up front, how genius of you...$130 a tire?? I paid $326 for all four :>
07-10-2006, 04:24 PM
#58
Originally Posted by LFA951
How can you compare American white trash to German engineering?
I can see you back that up by using the excellent Conti-Sport tires on your fine German car....
Originally Posted by LFA951
I rest my case, the tire beat the Kumho Ecsta MX (which is better than the Fuzion ZRi)
How much track time do you have on your Hancooks?
07-10-2006, 04:30 PM
#59
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Originally Posted by LFA951
http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/images/samples/august_100_115_tiretest.pdf[/url]
Originally Posted by Tire God
I rest my case, the tire beat the Kumho Ecsta MX (which is better than the Fuzion ZRi) and was right behind the Advan Neova, and the test was done on a front wheel drive Sentra with 60% of the weight up front, how genius of you...$130 a tire?? I paid $326 for all four :>
