Best Shock Set up for 944 Turbo???
08-23-2005, 02:45 AM
#16
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I have an 86 944 Turbo putting down 334WHP (dynomynamics, circa 380 dynojet), I have 18's with SO2's 265 on the rear, I have in the last month put on Koni adjustables on the rear and adjustables with adjustable perch on the front... I would HIGHLY recommend this setup for street and spritied DE. I plan on 968 M030 adjustable sway on the rear (second setting), then see how it goes. Very nice setup, and not too expensive, call Paragon!
08-23-2005, 11:49 AM
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Hi NZ
Hi NZ:
Did you buy the single adjustable Konis ($248 a pair) for rears or the double adjustable coil over Konis in rear ($895 a pair)?
What spring rate did you go with up front, in the rear?
Please advise. Thanks!
Did you buy the single adjustable Konis ($248 a pair) for rears or the double adjustable coil over Konis in rear ($895 a pair)?
What spring rate did you go with up front, in the rear?
Please advise. Thanks!
08-23-2005, 03:16 PM
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I got the single adjustable... The spring rate is 160lb, as I bought it. I didnt want to determine any higher rate till I got used to the current as is version. I simply coiuld not justify the double adjustable suspension, if the car was 50 track / 50 street, maybe, but as is, no.
02-11-2012, 07:45 PM
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what is Koni rear externally adj part # ?
I have an 86 944 Turbo putting down 334WHP (dynomynamics, circa 380 dynojet), I have 18's with SO2's 265 on the rear, I have in the last month put on Koni adjustables on the rear and adjustables with adjustable perch on the front... I would HIGHLY recommend this setup for street and spritied DE. I plan on 968 M030 adjustable sway on the rear (second setting), then see how it goes. Very nice setup, and not too expensive, call Paragon!
Paragon is pushing coilovers in Koni rear for $700 which is not bad, still have to labor to pull the torsions out.
I have Paragon Koni front coil over ARHK 250lb hypercoils, medium setting dampers
My rear Koni sports are too soft , I want adj **** .
what is the part # ?
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/S...6&autoModClar=
Tire rack says rear is standard adj & front is external which I have inserted in coil over kit
02-11-2012, 07:55 PM
#20
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Hold thread from the dead batman!
Sorry mate, long since sold the car, not sure on the part number, someone will have an idea though... the coilover setup sounds good though from Paragon.
Sorry mate, long since sold the car, not sure on the part number, someone will have an idea though... the coilover setup sounds good though from Paragon.
02-11-2012, 08:01 PM
#21
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Except (as far as I know) they dont do an adjustable shock, so it relies on you knowing the exact valve dimensions, unless you want to go through the trial and error process, and then they are only setup for one particular set of circumstances. I have never had any issues with Koni shocks, hardly garbage, Porsche made the the factory M030 option shock of choice.
02-11-2012, 08:38 PM
#22
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Yeah, in the 80s. Look at all the sport option packages from them now. All Bilstein.
Bilstein does have adjustable packages. The desire for such is low because revalving a set is very easy to do. Plus, this whole mentality of adjustment takes away from just driving the car. Unless you are a professional and have a team of engineers, having a bunch of settings to play with never gets you far. I've seen it too much in club racing and auto-crossing where one just blames the car setup and is always changing it. You get nothing accomplished with that and can never develop any consistency.
As for S/A only being tied to rebound, that sounds pretty worthless to me. There will only be one optimal setting per shock in which rebound and compression are matched correctly.
As for Koni, I've seen new shocks from them that aren't matched (1 being at full soft = 1 being at full hard) and lack in QC. I know a lot of resellers like to match them, which is a good start, but bad excuse to QC of the product. Plus, twin tube is slower in response than mono tube and requires more parts. We want faster response which makes the car handle better, correct?
If you want a soft ride with a sports car, I recommend new stock shocks and original springs. If you want a sports car to handle like one that's not too harsh on the street and fantastic around corners at a great price, spec out a proper Bilstein setup.
Bilstein does have adjustable packages. The desire for such is low because revalving a set is very easy to do. Plus, this whole mentality of adjustment takes away from just driving the car. Unless you are a professional and have a team of engineers, having a bunch of settings to play with never gets you far. I've seen it too much in club racing and auto-crossing where one just blames the car setup and is always changing it. You get nothing accomplished with that and can never develop any consistency.
As for S/A only being tied to rebound, that sounds pretty worthless to me. There will only be one optimal setting per shock in which rebound and compression are matched correctly.
As for Koni, I've seen new shocks from them that aren't matched (1 being at full soft = 1 being at full hard) and lack in QC. I know a lot of resellers like to match them, which is a good start, but bad excuse to QC of the product. Plus, twin tube is slower in response than mono tube and requires more parts. We want faster response which makes the car handle better, correct?
If you want a soft ride with a sports car, I recommend new stock shocks and original springs. If you want a sports car to handle like one that's not too harsh on the street and fantastic around corners at a great price, spec out a proper Bilstein setup.
I could easily go through and find links to dozens of Bilstein failures but not much point. The fact is if Koni quality was so bad since the 80's, they wouldnt be in business.
The M030 stock setup is by far the best bang for buck setup for spirited driving.
02-11-2012, 08:55 PM
#23
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Ummm yeah I can argue that, if you made 30 years of nothing but junk, you wouldnt be in business. And again, a quick google shows hundreds of links to Bilstein shock failures from new... so really, its pointless to argue over the two. The point should be, making a custom set of Bilsteins doesnt make much sense over going for a platform the car was designed for and has worked well on.
02-12-2012, 12:50 AM
#24
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Apple build quality products though. So obsolescence is not through quality, but through innovation.
You just finished saying that companies are making products to fail to "create more money coming in", then that Koni was dropped because their quality was bad, which negates your first point about wealth creation. You my friend, have just failed at the internet.
More over you dont know the context around the switch in shocks, lots of other factors come into it over quality. You can google supply chains to work that one out for yourself.
You just finished saying that companies are making products to fail to "create more money coming in", then that Koni was dropped because their quality was bad, which negates your first point about wealth creation. You my friend, have just failed at the internet.
More over you dont know the context around the switch in shocks, lots of other factors come into it over quality. You can google supply chains to work that one out for yourself.
02-12-2012, 02:44 AM
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How much does the person asking the question want to spend...or not spend?
02-12-2012, 02:46 AM
#26
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That is a great question. Ohlins might be the way to go! lol
A mate just ordered the GC kit, thats pretty decent for a track setup by the looks of it.
A mate just ordered the GC kit, thats pretty decent for a track setup by the looks of it.
02-16-2012, 07:31 PM
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Hi,
I'm not sure what you have available to you but here in the UK KWv3s and Gaz Gold (both adjustable coilover systems front and rear) are generally suggested. KW are £1400, Gaz around £800.
I'm not sure what you have available to you but here in the UK KWv3s and Gaz Gold (both adjustable coilover systems front and rear) are generally suggested. KW are £1400, Gaz around £800.
