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Noahs944 12-25-2017 03:54 PM

80's Aerodynamic Trends...
 
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...8cfc6b3e98.jpg
I have a question about an aero feature that was common possibly in the 70's and certainly in the 80's. Seen on rally as well as track racers. I don't know what to call them and therefore my internet searches have been fruitless. Can someone please tell me the purpose of these top fender mounted (near the hood) "strakes"?

jc in rb 12-25-2017 05:12 PM

To pull air out of the wheel wells and lower preasure

Noahs944 12-25-2017 06:43 PM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...aab4ddd4b7.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...bb08331ce8.jpg
JC, I realize now the pic I provided is confusing. I'm not referring to a "vent" but rather the thin moldings that I assume bolt on the "wings" on either side of the bonnet. My theory is it helps for down pressure or cleaner air routing, it "looks" like a good addition, but why then don't we see it anymore?

Noahs944 12-25-2017 07:08 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...a4bce71f29.jpg
Okay, so more research shows others reference them as "hood strakes" also. Could they be used to stabilize the vehicle? Based on this wiki, perhaps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strake_(aeronautics)

Humboldtgrin 12-25-2017 07:22 PM

It helps force the air over the hood VS having the air role off the hood. Also acts a stabilizer of sorts kinda like a rudder would do.

Dino951 12-25-2017 09:05 PM

I remember them being called hood/fender wind splitters or wind splits. Kamei and Zender used to make some back in the days.

Noahs944 12-26-2017 02:34 PM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...e8beb10e91.jpg
Thanks for the insights. Seems like a value add to me. Wonder why we don't see them anymore... dated fashion perhaps?

MAGK944 12-26-2017 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by Noahs944 (Post 14692494)
...Wonder why we don't see them anymore...

Because they don’t do anything useful. Think about it, how much of an improvement in downforce can they make when compared to a hood without them? ...and if there is a miniscule gain it would be a disadvantage on the straights. It would be marginally better having them ether side of the roof panel to direct more are to the wing, but not much imo, not enough to make it worthwhile.

Voith 12-27-2017 08:20 AM

Vortex generators are useful but ugly. Could be these are obsolete for same reason.

Noahs944 12-27-2017 08:24 PM

Yeah. I found it interesting the Ford Group 5 Capri... a very bad ass racecar... with a lot of attention to *everything* including aero.... aerodynamic features, many of which to this day are considered excellent performers... *added* these. Best as I can tell they weren't on the earliest versions of the car, but got added mid way and stayed for the duration. For myself they are of interest because I'd rather not have a huge splitter because my car is mostly a street car, and so I'm looking at alternative method of increasing downforce on the front other than long front splitter.

333pg333 12-27-2017 11:47 PM

I can only surmise that these are no longer a worthy option. Reason being is that we've seen a lot of Aero development since the 80's and these are no longer seen anywhere.
With all the CFD and Tunnels available we would have seen a continuation of these hood-fins if they were worth it.

Noahs944 12-28-2017 08:22 AM

Alright, I'll toss them into the "don't use bin". Thanks for your input everyone.

audisport 12-28-2017 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by 333pg333 (Post 14695391)
I can only surmise that these are no longer a worthy option. Reason being is that we've seen a lot of Aero development since the 80's and these are no longer seen anywhere.
With all the CFD and Tunnels available we would have seen a continuation of these hood-fins if they were worth it.

THere's also a lot of things we don't see because of rules. So, hard to say what is useful or not. Aero is a constant fight for the best thing they can do within the rules allowed. Sometimes aero rules are done to even slow down the cars ;)

333pg333 12-28-2017 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by audisport (Post 14696038)
THere's also a lot of things we don't see because of rules. So, hard to say what is useful or not. Aero is a constant fight for the best thing they can do within the rules allowed. Sometimes aero rules are done to even slow down the cars ;)

Perhaps this can be the case but not with these particular parts in question. Look to Time Attack cars. They have the highest levels of downforce and aero development via the most liberal rules. I can't recall any Time Attack car with these on them. If they were a worthy part then they would be there.

Voith 12-28-2017 10:00 PM

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