Weight reduction ideas
I know a ton has been posted on this topic, but the information is scattered through many threads, making the search I attempted less than fruitful, so I thought I'd start a new 944/968 specific thread. Mine is a track-focused 968. I drive it to and from the track, so it has to remain street legal. I don't want to remove the carpet, or the door panels at this time. Here's what I've done so far to take weight out of it:
-Sparco Evo drivers seat, some sort of Corbeau fixed-back fiberglass racing seat on the passenger side that I bought used - Fiberglass hood, with aluminum louvers. Removed struts, but kept hinges and latches. I'm guessing total of 10-15 lb savings - 4 lb Battery Tender lithium ion phosphate battery - Fixed headlights (featherweight Hella bi-halogens) ~30 lb savings - Removed front bumper bar - 15 lb savings - Removed fog lights, and replaced with fiberglass brake duct scoops - Removed rear bumper bar - 20 lb savings - Removed windshield washer reservoir - 12 lb savings - Removed cruise control - Removed passenger side air bag and control module - Removed the surprisingly heavy eyelets that I think were used to strap the car down on the boat ride from Germany - Converted electric sunroof to manual - Removed stereo and speakers (almost always drive with the sunroof off, so I can't hear it, anyway) - Saved about 12 lbs - Removed AC compressor, radiator, drier, and assorted plumbing. Built my own brackets to relocate the alternator to the A/C compressor’s spot – Saved about 25 lb. - Removed fuel rail cover - Removed rear seat - Removed rear quarter interior panels, cargo area carpet and pad - Removed rear window wiper and motor - Removed hatch opener motor (converted to manual operation) - Removed spare tire, jack, and tools - Replaced stock exhaust with RS Barn cat back - Single-mass aluminum flywheel – 17 lb, I believe It has a weld-in roll bar/half cage from Hanskville Hotrods, which adds back about 30 lbs, iirc, along with a harness (drivers side only), in addition to standard inertia reel seat belts I bought off eBay. It also has Racers Edge heavy duty A-arms, which add several pounds back as well. I know a lot of people on this forum track their cars, so I was wondering if there are any opportunities I've missed. I think I'm reaching the point of diminishing returns in terms of cost/benefit, but I'm curious as to other peoples' ideas. Obvious things I haven't done yet include a plexiglass hatch window, a proper racing steering wheel, a lighter alternator, and a lighter passenger seat. Anything else? |
Originally Posted by Cloud9...68
(Post 14411053)
I know a ton has been posted on this topic, but the information is scattered through many threads, making the search I attempted less than fruitful, so I thought I'd start a new 944/968 specific thread. Mine is a track-focused 968. I drive it to and from the track, so it has to remain street legal. I don't want to remove the carpet, or the door panels at this time. Here's what I've done so far to take weight out of it:
-Sparco Evo drivers seat, some sort of Corbeau fixed-back fiberglass racing seat on the passenger side that I bought used - Fiberglass hood, with aluminum louvers. Removed struts, but kept hinges and latches. I'm guessing total of 10-15 lb savings - 4 lb Battery Tender lithium ion phosphate battery - Fixed headlights (featherweight Hella bi-halogens) ~30 lb savings - Removed front bumper bar - 15 lb savings - Removed fog lights, and replaced with fiberglass brake duct scoops - Removed rear bumper bar - 20 lb savings - Removed windshield washer reservoir - 12 lb savings - Removed cruise control - Removed passenger side air bag and control module - Removed the surprisingly heavy eyelets that I think were used to strap the car down on the boat ride from Germany - Converted electric sunroof to manual - Removed stereo and speakers (almost always drive with the sunroof off, so I can't hear it, anyway) - Saved about 12 lbs - Removed AC compressor, radiator, drier, and assorted plumbing. Built my own brackets to relocate the alternator to the A/C compressor’s spot – Saved about 25 lb. - Removed fuel rail cover - Removed rear seat - Removed rear quarter interior panels, cargo area carpet and pad - Removed rear window wiper and motor - Removed hatch opener motor (converted to manual operation) - Removed spare tire, jack, and tools - Replaced stock exhaust with RS Barn cat back - Single-mass aluminum flywheel – 17 lb, I believe It has a weld-in roll bar/half cage from Hanskville Hotrods, which adds back about 30 lbs, iirc, along with a harness (drivers side only), in addition to standard inertia reel seat belts I bought off eBay. It also has Racers Edge heavy duty A-arms, which add several pounds back as well. I know a lot of people on this forum track their cars, so I was wondering if there are any opportunities I've missed. I think I'm reaching the point of diminishing returns in terms of cost/benefit, but I'm curious as to other peoples' ideas. Obvious things I haven't done yet include a plexiglass hatch window, a proper racing steering wheel, a lighter alternator, and a lighter passenger seat. Anything else? If you ever had a complete door off and carried one fully loaded just 20 feet, then picked up a gutted door, you'd see where the real weight is. We don't run windows at all (all track and tow with trailer) but you could make some tracks and do manual raise/lower lexan on those for street. Other than that, pull your fender and scrape all the sound deadening, while they are off, pull the fender liner and do the same on the whole wheel house. T |
Cloud,
What's your car weigh now? |
Regarding the hatch, has anyone used Percy's Speedglass for the 944/968 hatch? I hear great things about their lexan, but can't find someone who's used it for the hatch on these cars.
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FWIW the stock glass rear hatch with rubber spoiler is 52 lbs.
Lexan should be about half that. |
Fiberglass hood
Fiberglass front fenders As stated by you Lexan rear window Side quarter windows Lexan Excess wiring harness If you want to retain your carpet (fire hazard), temporarily remove it to get at all the sound deadening material under it. You need the front metal bumper bar for tow ring attachment. Drill it for weight savings. |
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Here is an old weight reduction list I found. Please note I am not the author, though I wish I were.
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Originally Posted by 951and944S
(Post 14411174)
Go lexan on the back deck glass. If done right (with a center brace) you'll never miss the glass.
If you ever had a complete door off and carried one fully loaded just 20 feet, then picked up a gutted door, you'd see where the real weight is. We don't run windows at all (all track and tow with trailer) but you could make some tracks and do manual raise/lower lexan on those for street. Other than that, pull your fender and scrape all the sound deadening, while they are off, pull the fender liner and do the same on the whole wheel house. T |
Originally Posted by 951and944S
(Post 14411174)
If you ever had a complete door off and carried one fully loaded just 20 feet, then picked up a gutted door, you'd see where the real weight is. We don't run windows at all (all track and tow with trailer) but you could make some tracks and do manual raise/lower lexan on those for street.
I have converted to a strap with holes rather than the motors. Still running glass. One thing I'd be concerned with is scratching the lexan on the weatherstrip, so for myself this wouldn't be idea. I have realized if don't correctly I can pop the glass out very quickly for track use if I must. But I don't knot what the best solution is. Right now I'm considering sliding windows in lexan. Do most racing sanctioning bodies allow for these? |
Cloud,
Imho the weightlose concept is a double edged sword. In my 944, all steel and all glass. Street legal with a/c retained. Weight measurement was 2500lbs with one seat & half a tank. That was like 2 years ago. I was proud, but later feel embarrassed by certain choices I made (some which I can't undo). In a daily driven cars sometimes we go to far. Food for thought: You have a roll bar (nice start) In a rollover your doors & windows play a HUGE part in supporting the roof front collapsing. The rollbar isn't going to save your neck or back in a rollover; it really isn't much more than a shoulder harness mount. I know because I also have the Hanksville roll bar and have assessed this critically. My advice is to retain glass & either manual or electric window regulators until you install the rest of the Rollcage. The reason being at this point the Porsche body as a unit -with glass up) is what is will protect you from injury until you go full cage. |
Originally Posted by sm
(Post 14411222)
Cloud,
What's your car weigh now? |
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Originally Posted by rlm328
(Post 14411601)
You need the front metal bumper bar for tow ring attachment. Drill it for weight savings.
Attachment 1242918 Attachment 1242919 Also, thanks for the weight reduction list. I can verify that many of the figures in the list are accurate. However, some, like the bumper bars and hood, which I weighed, are way off. I think the person who compiled the list put the weight in pounds in the kg column on some of the items, and then erroneously multiplied this number by 2.2 to come up with the figure on the lbs column. |
Originally Posted by Noahs944
(Post 14412390)
Cloud,
Imho the weightlose concept is a double edged sword. In my 944, all steel and all glass. Street legal with a/c retained. Weight measurement was 2500lbs with one seat & half a tank. That was like 2 years ago. I was proud, but later feel embarrassed by certain choices I made (some which I can't undo). In a daily driven cars sometimes we go to far. Food for thought: You have a roll bar (nice start) In a rollover your doors & windows play a HUGE part in supporting the roof front collapsing. The rollbar isn't going to save your neck or back in a rollover; it really isn't much more than a shoulder harness mount. I know because I also have the Hanksville roll bar and have assessed this critically. My advice is to retain glass & either manual or electric window regulators until you install the rest of the Rollcage. The reason being at this point the Porsche body as a unit -with glass up) is what is will protect you from injury until you go full cage. |
I didn't see the list but it's probably for a 944 not a 968 so the 968 hood is probably a lot lighter in stock form. My 944 stock hoods are heavy and my fiberglass hood is supper light compaired.
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i think i weighed a stock 944 hood at around 42 lbs once upon a time.
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