944-SS4Vegeta

I own a 1988 944 red. I has almost 90,000 original miles. Its an awesome car , its handling is one of the best I've seen. I 've increased the original horsepower to about 185 but i'm still not satisfied. I was wondering if a turbo engine would be the asnwer... ?? But then a Mechanic that i know told me that i would never be the as fast as the original version of a 944 turbo. So then I thought of a 944S2 which is a 3.0 if i'm not mistaken. I could upgrade a bigger engine and have the same performance as the 951. The reason why i dont get a 951 instead is because i love my car too much y I wouldn't like to give it away; and i can't afford my car and a 951.

So would it be a good thing to put a 944S2 into my 944 ?????????
I would like some advice from anybody that knows about it.... or somebody that already had this situation ... ???????

HELP!

CBass

Easy enough, it is the smae engine after all, it just has a different head and stuff. I'd recommend the 951 motor though, they cost about the same, are much cheaper to mod, and you'll get better fuel economy.

Tye

Excellence magazine had an article about transplanting an S2 motor into a 944S. It was the February 2001 issue. That should be of some help. May of 2001 also had a good article on suspension upgrades.

If I were going to go through the pain of a motor swap, I'd try for the 968 motor. If I have a major malfunction with my S2, that's what I'll consider.

Another perspective: Not sure why you want more power (there's never enough!), but I just finished my second Driver's Ed last weekend. There was a hopped up Nissan Sentra SE-R (with 173k miles on the original motor!) lapping faster than 2 of the M5 BMW's and they have about 400hp. The cheapest way to make the car go faster is by improving the driver. My .02

Regards,

Tye
89 944S2

944-SS4Vegeta

Thanks for the tips everybody.

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What about the 968 engine that you mentioned ?

Could i fit a 968 turbo S in my 944 ?
I heard those engines are pretty hard to find.......

Fill me in more.

Ethan

I have that 2-2001 article about the S2 swap if you are interested I can send it to you. It has a lot of good pics. A local ditched his S to S2 swap in favor of the 968 3.0. I guess if its worth doing its worth doing right.

Riff

Another option, if your not partial to your AC, is that Speed Force Racing has a bolt in supercharger that will be far less costly than an engine swap. Check them out at:<a href="http://www.speedforceracing.com/sc.html" target="_blank">Speed Force Racing supercharger</a>
Someday (when I have the money) I may opt to put their SC on to my S2.

Cheers,

CBass

I wouldn't get a bolt on supercharger. Bad bad magic.

I would strongly advise the 951 swap, it'll be easier in the end, especially if you want to tune it.

I really like the 968 motor. The Turbo S motor was after all the mods just a 3L 951 motor. You can get a stroker 951 for not a lot of money.

The benefit of the 968 motor was the Variocam timing, and little tuning tricks. There is absolutely no room to tune a 968 cheaply, it's a very expensive motor to work with.

The 951 motors are cheap and widely available, and easy to swap.

MadMax

I hate to be rude but the Turbo S motor "with all the mods", was NOT just a "3L 951 motor"! The Turbo S motor was a relatively normal 2.5L turbo motor with more boost. Also, I believe Porsche strengthened a few internal engine parts due to the higher boost level and higher subsequent horsepower. It was NOT a 3L motor. The only factory 3L's were the S2 and 968. The only difference between these two engines are the heads. 968 is 16V with variocam and the S2 is just 16V. And BTW, it cost major bucks to transform an NA into a Turbo and you won't have any of the other Turbo parts, brakes, tranny, suspension, etc...

If 944 SS4 must keep his car then swapping to a S2 or 968 motor would be the best way to go if you want more power. I am not a huge fan of super chargers myself but it would be a much better choice than trying to convert to a turbo. Much cheaper and probably more reliable.

Regards,
Max

Dave@Work

[quote]Originally posted by 944-SS4Vegeta:
<strong>Thanks for the tips everybody.

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What about the 968 engine that you mentioned ?

Could i fit a 968 turbo S in my 944 ?
I heard those engines are pretty hard to find.......

Fill me in more.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hard to find indeed, they mad about 18 of them IIRC.

944-SS4Vegeta

Hey people Thanks. So much advice !!!!

But wich one would be the best for my car ???

I want my car to be faster but i dont
wanna take a risk of messing everything up...

Z-man

[quote]Originally posted by Tye:
<strong>The cheapest way to make the car go faster is by improving the driver. My .02
Regards,
Tye
89 944S2</strong><hr></blockquote>

Amen!

But if you do consider swapping in an S2 engine, consider that there are differences: the biggest one is probably the airfilter setup: my S2 has the airfilter in the nose: very difficult to get to, and probably very hard to retro-fit into a 2.5 8V car like yours....

Tye: where do you run DE's? I'm going to Lime Rock next week with NJ PCA: been prepping my car and waiting all winter long...

-Z.

Thom

[quote]Originally posted by MadMax:
<strong>The Turbo S motor was a relatively normal 2.5L turbo motor with more boost. It was NOT a 3L motor</strong><hr></blockquote>

Excuse me but you are WRONG...the engine of the 968 Turbo S WAS a 3 liter indeed. Porsche only decided to put back the single head camshaft because they couldn't afford developing a 16 valves turbo engine.

chris924

thom, I think MadMax thought CBass was saying the 944 Turbo S had a 3.0L engine . . .

chris

Thom

Oh yes, I'm sorry.
Here in Europe the 944 Turbo S only existed in the UK market, hence my confusion. There is no distinctive name between the 220bhp model and the following 250bhp model continental-wise...