5 speed transaxle differential separate oil system
09-17-2015, 07:44 PM
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So the 1mm method has got me the closest to "butter" shifts as I have had thus far. I think Mark may be correct as far as synchro break-in especially where 2nd and 3rd gear synchros are not Porsche originals. However I am merely speculating since I have no point of reference having only rebuild Muncie and Borgs in the past. Perhaps Greg has an opinion as to whether or not moly synchros have a break-in period. My final change to the clutch will b one of Greg's short shafts since both of mine had opposing radial tooth wear where each disc sits. I chose the better of the two but I am not convinced that this isn't a factor. One thing is for sure, these clutch assemblies are very dependent on all parts being in very good working order or all bets are off - at least that is my humble opinion
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09-17-2015, 08:01 PM
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you changed your post! yes, i saw the 1mm trick worked.. thanks for the confirmation.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post12600145
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post12600145
09-17-2015, 08:37 PM
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This world would be better if you listened and tried to understand alternate views and contrasting information instead of seeing those as challenges to your need to be important and exclusively right.
09-17-2015, 08:40 PM
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one was almost brand new greg.. they dont wear. there are mechanical tolerances on those parts and obviously, this i what im measuring. the point is, there is no difference in the wear of the old vs new, nor would it matter, we are talking .1mm worst case and thats not the issue. however, think of this, the H does rotate a little, so making sure i had a very tight fit of the feeler gauge i could have moved it .1mm. you are great at thinking you are the expert, but you really are not here.
you suggested you were telling me that my problem was too great of a gap. clearly by these measurements, you are dead wrong. the Hs do not wear and why would they? there there to be a stopping point for a lighly spring loaded INT plate. there is no force, no velocity in their stopping . so, you are reaching if you think the Hs can wear. the ONLY thing that wears out is their friction grip and thats the only time to weld, bolt or pin them.
above you countradict yourself again.. "the 1.2" int plates????? there were two ranges of adjustment.... .75 to 1.2mm... this has NOTHING to do with the total gap possible. (i.e. how far you can push them back).
you are confusing the spec for adjustment vs the total travel
you are an expert on a lot of things Greg, but most anyone here has more knowledge than you do about the INT plate. you are dead wrong about pushing the Hs all the way back.... that wont work on a new or in spec clutch pack. what I have outlined is true, correct and proven many times. if you were at the track and saw the 1.6mm out of adjustment, why do you think we had to adjust them??? because they are NOT self adjusting. the other direction for excessive clutch disc wear sure, but not for the rear ward direction.)
Telll you what Greg, you are not an expert in this area.. admit it. however you are in many other areas (like the piston offsets, etc)
you show me a "worn" INT plate H adjsuster... measure that and a new one for me and show us (me) the wear!
you suggested you were telling me that my problem was too great of a gap. clearly by these measurements, you are dead wrong. the Hs do not wear and why would they? there there to be a stopping point for a lighly spring loaded INT plate. there is no force, no velocity in their stopping . so, you are reaching if you think the Hs can wear. the ONLY thing that wears out is their friction grip and thats the only time to weld, bolt or pin them.
above you countradict yourself again.. "the 1.2" int plates????? there were two ranges of adjustment.... .75 to 1.2mm... this has NOTHING to do with the total gap possible. (i.e. how far you can push them back).
you are confusing the spec for adjustment vs the total travel
you are an expert on a lot of things Greg, but most anyone here has more knowledge than you do about the INT plate. you are dead wrong about pushing the Hs all the way back.... that wont work on a new or in spec clutch pack. what I have outlined is true, correct and proven many times. if you were at the track and saw the 1.6mm out of adjustment, why do you think we had to adjust them??? because they are NOT self adjusting. the other direction for excessive clutch disc wear sure, but not for the rear ward direction.)
Telll you what Greg, you are not an expert in this area.. admit it. however you are in many other areas (like the piston offsets, etc)
you show me a "worn" INT plate H adjsuster... measure that and a new one for me and show us (me) the wear!
I'll be sure an put a copy of this in my office, for the literally hundreds of people that I've installed/repaired dual disc clutches for (which work perfectly) and rebuilt literally hundreds of early transmissions for (which work perfectly), so that they know I don't know what I'm doing....
And I'll be sure and send a note to Porsche telling them that they assembled thousands of cars (by just pushing the "H" adjusters all the way to the rear) wrong, too.
....All because one guy with an worn out intermediate plate insists that their specifications are completely wrong....and he thinks they made an intermediate plate with 2.5mm of travel in the "H" adjuster.
With posts like your above post, it should be abundantly clear, to everyone, why I have zero respect for anything you say or do.
Goodbye, Kibort.
09-17-2015, 09:29 PM
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Thanks so much for this!
I'll be sure an put a copy of this in my office, for the literally hundreds of people that I've installed/repaired dual disc clutches for (which work perfectly) and rebuilt literally hundreds of early transmissions for (which work perfectly), so that they know I don't know what I'm doing....
And I'll be sure and send a note to Porsche telling them that they assembled thousands of cars (by just pushing the "H" adjusters all the way to the rear) wrong, too.
....All because one guy with an worn out intermediate plate insists that their specifications are completely wrong....and he thinks they made an intermediate plate with 2.5mm of travel in the "H" adjuster.
With posts like your above post, it should be abundantly clear, to everyone, why I have zero respect for anything you say or do.
Goodbye, Kibort.
I'll be sure an put a copy of this in my office, for the literally hundreds of people that I've installed/repaired dual disc clutches for (which work perfectly) and rebuilt literally hundreds of early transmissions for (which work perfectly), so that they know I don't know what I'm doing....
And I'll be sure and send a note to Porsche telling them that they assembled thousands of cars (by just pushing the "H" adjusters all the way to the rear) wrong, too.
....All because one guy with an worn out intermediate plate insists that their specifications are completely wrong....and he thinks they made an intermediate plate with 2.5mm of travel in the "H" adjuster.
With posts like your above post, it should be abundantly clear, to everyone, why I have zero respect for anything you say or do.
Goodbye, Kibort.
I already said, i could care less about the max distance that the H adjusters can be pushed back. that was a visual guess. it doesnt matter. Now that i measured it, its 1.6mm. maybe 1.5mm.. also , it doesnt matter. what matters is that you dont know how they work. maybe now you do. AND, that you still think they wear by some unknown force ... what was it?... from Pluto, or sun spots or something?
never said porsche pushed them all the way back.. YOU said they were self adjusting. wrong by the way. (not for set up, for wear only! ...key point)
what everyone will now know, is that you have 0 reading comprehension, EVEN with pictures of the gap!
And that the way that porsche recommends you adjust the H adjusters is what i have been saying all along, since 2008!! 1mm gap and you are good to go AND!!!!!!!!! did you notice, the OP on this thread did it and what happened.... IT WORKED!! PERIOD. DONE WITH YOUR NONSENSE Greg. Now, go build and engine that doesnt blow up (if you can) and rebuild a transmission or two. because those are the only things you do really really well. (well, excpet for andersons engine that blew up , several times after you changed out the "defective" rods for ones you thought would work better... they worked.... right up until they were sticking out the side of the block! you are amazing!! a god in your own mind.
Peace out
MK
PS.. should i post that paragraph that you mention how the " H's little ears" cant take the smashing of the INT plate? back then, you had NO clue how the INT plate worked, and neither did i until i figured it out and it made perfect sense. you suddenly realized that the only force on them was the flat springs acting on the plate, and the speed was only the geared down movement of the clutch pedal moving the pressure plate rearward . You then "got it" anc paid me some really nice compliments in private message straightening you out! your memory is very short my friend Greg!
09-17-2015, 09:34 PM
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Enough, I cannot believe I allowed this thread to be back open.
Fronk,
If you problem comes back or needs further assistance, start a new thread that fully documents everything you've already done.
This one is well past done.
Fronk,
If you problem comes back or needs further assistance, start a new thread that fully documents everything you've already done.
This one is well past done.
